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- From: Travis McCrea <me AT travismccrea.com>
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- Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase
- Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 01:08:20 -0700
I think there was a misinterpretation:
.p2p is basically different in every way:
-> .p2p will have it's own unique technology that is different than most TLDs on OpenNIC
-> .p2p is going to be popular for filesharing (though I do see .pirate having a file sharing crowed as well), .pirate is much more generic.
Pirate in modern culture (at least how I, and many others define it) is someone who is in a counter culture. People who support things that haven't been adopted by the mainstream yet. Pirate Radio, Pirate Party, Pirating Media, etc. If you would go to http://dotpirate.me we lay out exactly what "pirate" means to us as defining a support of the pirate ideology as set out by Rick Falkvinge. To get an idea of the Pirate Ideology check out http://falkvinge.net/2011/11/26/the-pirate-wheel-revisited-as-broad-ideology/
You are correct that any TLD can be potentially picked up by ICANN as an officially supported TLD. However, the odds of .pirate becoming a gTLD (which is the only way it's going to be accepted into ICANN) are much slimmer than most other TLDs.
People who are in the "Pirate Movement", which is plenty of us, it's the fastest growing political movement in the world, are more likely to use .pirate than other TLDs like .free because of the branding. Also because most other TLDs have rules which I don't feel we should be enforcing and a vague set of rules that seem to rely on personal judgement instead of written law, which is insane for a group of people on the Internet. Tomorrow our membership can gain 100 devout Catholics (or Atheists, or Buddhists or whatever) which might change the standard "common judgement" of what is acceptable and not.
I never say that this TLD is strictly for people who identify themselves as pirates. Actually it says very clearly on the first line on our charter page:
".pirate is primarily designed for websites whose focus is related to the Pirate Party movement; websites which promote the Pirate ideology as defined by Rick Falkvinge; or any other website which would like to be protected by the absolute free speech that the Pirate Ideology embraces."
Anyone is welcome to register a .pirate domain name. We are kinda like the mormons, we like you to be mormon to use our free services… but you don't have to be :)
We would have reserved ccPirateTLDs which would be reserved for Pirate Parties around the world who want to use them. Like the German Pirate Party could own the ccPirateTLD de.pirate, however, I don' t think that is unfair.
Hopefully that clears up any misconceptions about the TLD :)
On 2012-03-31, at 11:30 PM, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat IT&Internet) wrote:
Travis McCrea <me AT travismccrea.com> schrieb:
>What Makes .pirate Different Than .p2p or .free
>- .p2p
...by principle - nothing.
>out. Also p2p as the name suggests is more for peer to peer things.
...yes.
>.pirate is more of a free speech platform.
ok - this may be so or not from your definition or goals, but i can't figure out what the word / synonymous "pirate" byself has anything to do with "free spech". Pirates are peoples far from any law and freedom has nothing to do with lawless, as still to many today do interpret freedom.
This would be even more concret as there are still several political parties in different countries named "pirates" byself which have their own political program (or not).
>- .free is a cool TLD but it's going to run into conflicts with ICANN
This is potentially the case for all TLDs in any NICs, just a bit more potentially for generic word TLDs.
>soon, and the people and sites that are big into the Pirate movement
ok ok, so you talk about a "pirate movement" behind the .pirate TLD?
>would be more likely to use .pirate than .free especially if they are
>going to have to register their domain name in two different places in
>the future.
Can you explain that? I can't see causality there...
>What does .pirate bring to the community?
Which "community", the internet community, the OpenNIC ones, the "pirate movement" one? Shure, any TLD could potentially bring new users to OpenNIC...
and btw: I do not feel very comfortable with any TLDs strictly bound to any "community" or technical concept - means which are mainly or only accessible for members of a community or users of a special IP application as long as they occupy any generic namespace or word which is - by my interpretation - under the ownership of any peoples on the globe and this is one major reason why i contribute to OpenNIC as an alternative to the ICANN.
From my interpretation any OpenNIC TLDs should be accessible to everyone in the same manner - independently from any third or third party interests behind that. "Typical application" cases publically written to any of the TLDs should just give an idea for what the domain could (!) be used for ideally, but this should not be any requirement for sl-domain users under it.
Otherwise OpenNIC would run into the same one way as ICANN does it on a financial manner.
cheers,
Niels.
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Niels Dettenbach
Syndicat IT&Internet
http://www.syndicat.com
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- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat IT&Internet), 04/01/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Travis McCrea, 04/01/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Richard Lyons, 04/02/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Travis McCrea, 04/02/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Alex Hanselka, 04/03/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Hospedaje Web y Servidores Dedicados, 04/16/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, me, 04/16/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Todd Freeman, 04/24/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Daniel L, 04/24/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Falk Husemann, 04/24/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Daniel L, 04/24/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Alex Hanselka, 04/24/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, me, 04/16/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Hospedaje Web y Servidores Dedicados, 04/16/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Alex Hanselka, 04/03/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Travis McCrea, 04/02/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Richard Lyons, 04/02/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] dotPirate TLD - Discussion Phase, Travis McCrea, 04/01/2012
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