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[Travis McCrea <me AT travismccrea.com>]

Eh it still has that "illegal activity" clause, and is now even MORE
vague because it doesn't say by which law you are operating under. There
are countries where warez sites are legal. There are other countries
where even speaking true facts about the leadership is punishable by
death... so what laws are we bound to? The United States is a typical
choice, but if we are held to the same legal standard as US domains then
I am still voting no against it because their legal standards are too
restrictive. 

I am not trying to be a dick, I just want to have a clear understanding
of whats going on. I did not get the email (or missed it) when this went
up for discussion. I would like us to hold off on the vote until these
things are addressed. 
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 00:28 +0200, Dominique Rehborn wrote:
> Here's an amendment of the .box charter regarding phrasing and
> considering a few feedbacks.
> 
> Charter
> 
> .box TLD - in the following document referred to as NIC.
> 
> Proposal
> .box is a TLD meant as generic name space for general purposes like
> ICANN's .com, .org and .net TLD has been used (or misued by accident).
> It is not meant to replace .com, .org, .net.. on OpenNic but rather
> serve as a real general purpose Top level domain.
> a larger list of exceptions for abusive behavior and non-legitime
> contents is to be found in the policy to prevent disputes and criminal
> activity.
> 
> Policy
> 
> By Registering a NIC domain the Registrant agrees to the Policy.
> 
> This Policy complies with OpenNIC Policies
> (http://wiki.opennic.glue/OpenNICPolicies) including following addition.
> 
> Registration
> NIC domains can be registered by any individual or for an entity by an
> individual/natural person. Registrations may be challenged at any time
> if they are not held by an individual or if the holder cannot prove an
> outside relation justifying reservation of the name, to prevent
> "Cybersquatting". further exceptions are listed below.
> 
> Limitations
> until further changes to the policy a registrant is allowed to hold a
> maximum of 15 domains, for larger amounts the registrant requires to
> become an OpenNic member.
> 
> Activity
> NIC reserves the right to remove any domain not resolvable for more than
> a week.
> 
> Nameserver Configuration
> NIC requires to setup a valid Zonefile, this includes a valid SOA and 2 NS.
> 
> Non-Profit clause
> As this TLD is made available not for profit, domains (including
> subdomains) may not be transferred for compensation.
> 
> Prohibited contents and behavior
> to limit a larger spectrum for abusive behavior the following is
> strictly forbidden, legitimate complaints regarding these activities
> will result in suspension and revocation of all appropriate domains:
> 
> • general contents/activities considered illegal. this includes but is
> not limited to:
>   - spamming/cracking (including through non NIC systems)
>   - cracks/warez/malware/botnets/honeypots
> • contents considered illegal by the server locations laws.
> • SEO/marketing websites
> • pornographic, racists/extremist contents
> 
> Privacy
> 
> • Personal data will only be collected and used if required for the
> creation or modification of a Handle. The registrant is obligated to
> keep this information up to date. The Registrant's Email address will
> only be used for information regarding their registered domains, policy
> changes and major system changes.
> • NIC does not give any personal information to third parties, with the
> exception of OpenNIC as far as they are required to reasonably or forced
> by law.
> • The registrant has the right to information and a right to amend, to
> suspend or to delete his saved information. If deletion conflicts with a
> legal or contractual duty to save information, or other legal grounds,
> the information will be made inaccessible.
> 
> Warranty and Liability
> NIC tries to be as reliable and responsible as possible, however there
> is no warranty for availability. For direct damages, secondary damages
> or lost profits due to technical problems and disturbances we assume no
> liability.
> 
> In addition, the Registrant agrees to free NIC from all claims by third
> parties in regard to illegal content or activity. The exemption
> obligation includes liability for all legal defence costs.
> 
> Updates
> Minor changes, changes which will not affect registered domains, to the
> policy can be made without notice in order to close loopholes quickly
> and responsibly.
> Changes which require to be voted on will be announced at least one week
> before taking effect.
> 
> Sunrise Clause/Big Business clause
> For now, corporations, large enterprises (>50 employess) and financial
> entities are not allowed to expand their business under a NIC TLD. In
> case of a registered trademark, it is possible for the responsible to
> send a request to have their name registered by NIC and suspeneded for
> revervation or http forward to a given URL. (This process requires
> verification, any cost created by this process will be covered by the
> responsible in question).
> This clause will be removed once services have been proven stable.
> reason for temporarily exclusion is to have the number of registrants
> low at the beginning to ease administration and application development.
> 
> On 08/08/2011 09:48 PM, Brian Koontz wrote:
> > I second the motion to bring this to a vote.  It's been open for
> > discussion for a week now.
> > 
> >   --Brian
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 02:39:37AM +0200, Dominique Rehborn wrote:
> >> Howdy folks,
> >>
> >> as proposed on 31th of july i hereby open the petition/vote for
> >> sponsoring the .box TLD using the following charter/policy, changes have
> >> been marked by </removed> (only one section has been removed regarding
> >> labels, this would of course mean common sense now rules, thus the
> >> maximum amount is still limited by the appropriate rfc regarding
> >> hostnames), the vote is ending on 22th of august (2 weeks).
> >>
> >> feedback/suggestions regarding the charter are still welcomed but only
> >> considered after the vote has been passed.
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: [opennic-discuss] PROPOSAL: .box top level domain
> >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:29:17 +0200
> >> From: Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu>
> >> Reply-To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> >> To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> >>
> >> Howdy OpenNIC folks,
> >>
> >> i am curious about running a tier 1 and would like to sponsor the top
> >> level domain .box, i started writing a charter, which still is a draft
> >> and requires your feedback, any comment appreciated.
> >>
> >> OpenNIC TLD Proposition
> >>
> >> Charter
> >>
> >> .box TLD - in the following document referred to as NIC.
> >>
> >> Proposal
> >> .box is a TLD meant as generic name space for general purposes like
> >> ICANN's .com, .org and .net TLD has been used (or misued by accident). a
> >> larger list of exceptions for abusive behavior and non-legitime contents
> >> is to be found in the policy to prevent disputes and criminal activity.
> >>
> >> Policy
> >>
> >> By Registering a NIC domain the Registrant agrees to the Policy.
> >>
> >> This Policy complies with OpenNIC Policies
> >> (http://wiki.opennic.glue/OpenNICPolicies) including following addition.
> >>
> >> Registration
> >> NIC domains can be registered by any individual or for an entity by an
> >> individual/natural person. Registrations may be challenged at any time
> >> if they are not held by an individual or if the holder cannot prove an
> >> outside relation justifying reservation of the name, to prevent
> >> "Cybersquatting". further exceptions are listed below.
> >>
> >> Limitations
> >> until further changes to the policy a registrant is allowed to hold a
> >> maximum of 10 domains (including a tollerance of 5) with exception to
> >> OpenNIC members, larger amounts of domain registrations require to
> >> request a quote including purpose of usage. (send your request to
> >> quote AT nic.box)
> >>
> >> <removed>
> >> domain names must be at least 3 characters long and can be at most 63
> >> characters long, a domain excluding TLD should never have more than 5
> >> labels to prevent dns spam.
> >> </removed>
> >>
> >> Activity
> >> NIC reserves the right to remove any domain not resolvable for more than
> >> a week.
> >>
> >> Nameserver Configuration
> >> NIC requires to setup a valid Zonefile, this includes a valid SOA and 2 
> >> NS.
> >>
> >> Non-Profit clause
> >> As this TLD is made available not for profit, domains (including
> >> subdomains) may not be transferred for compensation.
> >>
> >> Prohibited contents and behavior
> >> to limit a larger spectrum for abusive behavior the following is
> >> strictly forbidden, legitimate complaints regarding these activities
> >> will result in suspension and revocation of all appropriate domains:
> >>
> >> ??? general contents/activities considered illegal. this includes but is
> >> not limited to:
> >> ??? spamming/cracking (including through non NIC systems)
> >> ??? cracks/warez/malware/botnets/honeypots
> >> ??? contents considered illegal by the registrants local laws.
> >> ??? SEO/marketing websites
> >> ??? pornographic, racists/extremist contents
> >> ??? torrent tracker
> >>
> >> Big Business clause
> >> corporations, large enterprises (>50 employess) and financial entities
> >> are not allowed to expand their business under a NIC TLD for now. In
> >> case of a registered trademark, it is possible for the responsible to
> >> send a request to have their name registered by NIC and suspeneded
> >> definitively or http forward to a given URL.
> >> (This process requires verification, any cost created by this process
> >> will be covered by the responsible in question).
> >>
> >> Privacy
> >>
> >> ??? Personal data will only be collected and used if required for the
> >> creation or modification of a Handle. The registrant is obligated to
> >> keep this information up to date. The Registrant's Email address will
> >> only be used for information regarding their registered domains, policy
> >> changes and major system changes.
> >> ??? NIC does not give any personal information to third parties, with the
> >> exception of OpenNIC as far as they are required to reasonably or forced
> >> by law.
> >> ??? The registrant has the right to information and a right to amend, to
> >> suspend or to delete his saved information. If deletion conflicts with a
> >> legal or contractual duty to save information, or other legal grounds,
> >> the information will be made inaccessible.
> >>
> >> Warranty and Liability
> >> NIC tries to be as reliable and responsible as possible, however there
> >> is no warranty for availability. For direct damages, secondary damages
> >> or lost profits due to technical problems and disturbances we assume no
> >> liability.
> >>
> >> In addition, the Registrant agrees to free NIC from all claims by third
> >> parties in regard to illegal content or activity. The exemption
> >> obligation includes liability for all legal defence costs.
> >>
> >> Updates
> >> Minor changes, changes which will not affect registered domains, to the
> >> policy can be made without notice in order to close loopholes quickly
> >> and responsibly.
> >> Changes which require to be voted on will be announced at least one week
> >> before taking effect.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Dominique Rehborn dominique AT boxnet.eu
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