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[Jeff Taylor <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net>]

    Sorry for the late reply, but I do want to touch on the points you
    raise... Your second point first, yes people get busy.  We all get
    busy and have to push off one thing to get something else done. 
    However I think you missed my original point -- He is only busy
    because he's working on other things for opennic.  It's not that
    there is no free time, it's just that he has no time for *that*
    project.  And if he really cares so little for it, why is he
    fighting to keep from shutting it down?
    
    Regarding .dyn... yes, that was a big mess.  And I think it was the
    first time in the project's history that a TLD sat truly idle. 
    Every time someone brought it up, there was a lot of discussion
    about it.  I don't remember exactly how it went down, but the owner
    of the TLD simply didn't have the time to set up the code, and
    recognizing that fact, he stepped aside.  Yes, it took way too long
    for that to happen, but that's the point... We shouldn't be sitting
    idly by while something is blatantly broken.  From my perspective, a
    TLD should never be entered into the DNS records or listed on the
    home page until a working registrar is at least ready for testing. 
    Sure, things might break, people can live with that.  You fix it and
    move on.  You don't just shove it to the side for a few months to go
    work on something else and just leave everyone hanging.
    
    And full disclosure... yes I am the one who took over .dyn.  I said
    I would do it, I cranked out some code, we did some testing, I
    cranked out more code.  I built the whole system to register user
    IPs, then turned around and built the whitelisting system on top of
    that, but .dyn was online and public before I moved on to something
    else.  My point is I'm not asking for anything that I don't do
    myself.  I have a LOT of code written for the back side operations
    of opennic, and there are little details all the time that need to
    be fixed.  I do code patches where I can, and try to keep my stuff
    running, even if not always smoothly.  But I certainly never ignore
    a whole system being offline for months.

On 04/20/2017 07:23 PM, Jon Hebb wrote:

Is it really hurting anything?? How many years did we sit around waiting on .dyn to go live?

People get busy. It happens.

This is a hobby for most of us and to anyone who sees it as more than that, please let me know what your salary is and how I can also get one.

On Apr 20, 2017 8:12 PM, "Jeff Taylor" <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> wrote:
You say you fail to see how this affects other projects..?  Every single time I've asked you about the status of the code, you've told me that you simply haven't had enough time to work on it.  And then I see you announcing on the mailing list that you're working on another project, whether it be researching, coding, or setting up new servers for something.

Every time.

I've even straight out asked you how it is that you have time to be working on these other things when you don't have time to finish the registrar, and you either pass of something about other things being more important or you just stop responding.  If I remember right, you took advantage of the spirit of the opennic voting process and rushed through a 2-day vote over Thanksgiving weekend in order to get your TLD accepted as quickly as possible, and you've been dragging your heels ever since then.  This never sat well with me and I told you as much when I saw it was happening, but I let it go at the time because you seemed eager to jump in and get some work done.

If you really take your projects seriously, then prove it.  Spend some actual time working on getting this finished instead of focusing all your free time on every other project you've started since November.  After that focus on the next project and see it through to completion.  If you can finish something, I might start having a little more faith in the outcome of everything else you want to work on.  I'm not saying you CAN'T finish, I'm just saying your excuses for non-completion don't hold any water.

On 04/20/2017 04:17 PM, Jonah Aragon wrote:

I have a number of quality standards I generally like to meet before publishing things for others, because I actually like to take my projects seriously. I've had this code for a while but it has a number of issues that in any other situation (for example, the time before you've started emailing this list) would cause me to hold off on publishing. But this is fine.

I hope people will post issues at our GitHub tracker so I can prioritize what needs to be done, now that it's out there I suppose I should start improving it. I fail to see how this affects other projects in any way.

Regards,

Jonah

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:59 PM Jeff Taylor <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> wrote:

Yeah I wasn't saying that my message was declaring an open vote, only that this is an issue that needs to be brought up and discussed.

And frankly, I think I'm even more worried that there is suddenly an operational registrar running only a few hours after my initial email.  How long have you had functional code sitting around?  Why is it that you've been pouring so much energy into all these other projects, but you couldn't get this one online first?  And what assurances do we have that you'll follow up with getting it closer to full functionality, rather than just dropping it again so you can play with other projects?

I have a lot of concern over how you've managed this TLD to date, and that quickly spills over into concerns about every other project you're working on for opennic.  It's great that you have the energy to try making things better, but please try actually completing one major project before moving on to something else.

On 04/20/2017 02:30 PM, Jon Hebb wrote:

There is no voting before a formal vote is proposed followed by a discussion.

If we want to argue semantics and rules, let's atleast abide by our own.

On Apr 20, 2017 3:57 PM, "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
I vote Yes to remove .o and vote Yes to require a functioning registrar. If a functioning registrar comes into being, then we can vote for/against .o again.

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:36:17 -0600, Jeff Taylor <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> wrote:

> So it's been another three months and there has still been no indication
> of any progress on actually getting a functional TLD in place.  Jonah
> you seem to have time for every project under the sun, including your
> seemingly personal goal of restructuring all of opennic, but you never
> have time to actually complete the first project you signed up for.
>
> Is it time to call for a no-confidence vote?  Personally I think the
> records for .o should have been removed from opennic months ago when the
> registrar system never materialized.
>
> And in the future I would like to propose that we make it a requirement
> to show a functioning registrar BEFORE calling a vote for any new TLDs.
> Seriously, this has gone beyond ridiculous.
>
>
>
> On 01/10/2017 08:56 PM, Jonah Aragon wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 2017 9:38 PM, "Jeff Taylor" <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net
> > <mailto:shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Who was supposed to be in charge of that namespace and where did
> >     they go? Anyone remember?
> >
> >
> > Me.
> >
> > And fortunately enough I'm still around ;)
> >
> > We're a bit behind schedule with the system, but it shouldn't be cause
> > for concern, everything will be handled soon; OpenNIC is great but I
> > can't devote 100% of my time to this project, with it's relatively
> > small community and all; I'm sure you and many other T1/T2 community
> > members understand.
> >
> > Jonah
> >
> > P.S. Voted upon Charter: "Registrations immediately after approval
> > will be handled manually via email. An automated registration system
> > is in development and will be available at tld.o when it becomes
> > available."
> >
> > Sent from my Google Pixel
> >
> >
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