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[Sebastian Makowiecki <soocki AT mailbox.org>]

That is indeed a deep dive into the nature of things in general. I love it and need some time to think it through before I dare to comment.

Thank you for your input though, never saw this coming.

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Sebastian Makowiecki

On 10 August 2018 13:29:50 GMT+01:00, kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:

This is obviously off topic for this list, but the more I watch the
discussions on voting, democracy, etc, the more, from a sociological
perspective, it almost seems obvious how and why organized religion
originated.

In both cases, people will go to the "church" (legislature, whatever)
and talk all about this and that rule, and code of conduct, and all the
other formalities, when at the end of the day, once people leave the
"church", they go back to business as usual and the rules be (possibly
or perhaps even likely) damned.

People are going to be people and while some will follow the rules, not
all will.  And often, the rules are implemented to serve only a select
few.  Even though everyone is told they have a voice, their voices are
chided, shot down, or even worse, they may be shunned from the
community (again, or worse).

I'm not certain that everyone's definition of "democracy" is in
alignment and until that is defined and accepted by all, there will be
situations where valid outliers will be discounted in sometimes severe
ways.

If anything, the dialogue around everything that is being currently
discussed actively, is probably the core example of what most people
believe democracy is all about.  It's likely not about whether the
rules, guidelines, codes, or what ever are adopted, and perhaps those
things are irrelevant anyhow, as they only capture a moment in time and
themselves can become obsolete over time.  It is about the
conversation.

Anyhow, that's just my opinion and me thinking out loud.

Carry on...  lol

Kevin