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[Terry <terencenathan AT gmail.com>]

This is an interesting idea, but I have a question:

What do you mean by joining a node would stipulate that it would be for non commercial use? Do you mean that I as a user of the new net wouldn't be able to have an online business?

I hope that I'm mistaken because I think to succeed any solution to decentralize the internet would have to allow e-commerce to exist.

One other thing you might be interested in is a project called netsukuku. Adoption of setting up these wireless nodes running netsukuku could really shake things up. 

Thanks for the new info on FidoNet!

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, NYXFER <nyxfer AT panix.com> wrote:

On 12/02/2010 01:47 AM, Julian DeMarchi wrote:

Do explain more for those of us who were not around when FIDONET was around.

I read a bit, and it states it was a email and newgroup network only.

It also provided access to BBSs, which in turn provided chat, file upload/download facilities, and doors to things like games. Today those "nodes" would be websites, ftp sites, game servers, local DNS facilities, search engines, blogs.... etc. The services offered were state of the art in their day, but that does not mean a new network would have to be limited to old technology.

The purpose here would be to produce an alternate de-centralized network. One immune to corporate and government censorship and control. One run for and by it's users in a democratic and fair manner.

I am curios about your ideas.

--julian

OK, let me flesh this out in a bit of detail basing it very loosely on Fidonet.

Overall, the scheme would be a totally decentralized non-commercial network run by it's users in a democratic and anarcho-libertarian  fashion. Authority is bottom up with elections as the mode.

A Standards committee is set up to flesh out both the technical and political structure of the proposed new network.

The world would be divided into Zones. We had 6 zones

• Zone 1 is North America
• Zone 2 is Europe, Former Soviet Union Countries, and Israel
• Zone 3 is Australasia
• Zone 4 is Latin America (except Puerto Rico)
• Zone 5 is Africa
• Zone 6 is Asia

But the new network should probably have more; the number is unimportant. It serves to divide the world into manageable chunks.

Each zone is further divided into Regions, Each Region is divided into Networks, Each Network is divided into Nodes, and each Node is divided into points (individual users/devices). The decentralization can go further however.

To address a user an address of the form region:network:node/point is used. To address a resource (web site, ftp site, dns etc...) an address of the form region:network:node/protocol is used; to access a regional resource an address of the form ZONE:REGION/protocol is used IE: EU:UK/dns (which would resolve nodes within the UK network)

So in this scheme, there is no need or desire for a world-wide name space . All name space is essentially local. One can have NA:US:NY:BROOKLYN/GOOGLE/http as well as EU:FR/GOOGLE/http.....

Politically/technically; users "join" a node (join the network), which can be a local or a distant node depending on the wishes of the individual and the rules of the individual node. Joining a node requires the individual to agree to the overall network rules (personal use, no commercial activity, no spam... etc), and meet a minimum technical standard of required software. A user accesses all network services through his/her node. Think of the node as the user's ISP, or more accurately their gateway to the new network if you like.

What follows is lifted from: http://www.z3.fidonet.org/policy4.htm with no modification. It lays out a basic structure. Of course, modern technology and the current political reality would mandate many changes, but the general ideas are sound. Fidonet was DNSed by a nodelist. Today, a more modern BIND system, also de-centralized,  probably should be implemented, but not necessarily so.

Take what follows as a rough draft, a concept, an idea, if you will. One which worked quite well in it's day. If the concept were to be implemented in kind using modern technology, it would likely result in a network for the people.

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This policy document has been accepted by vote of the FidoNet coordinator
structure, and is the current FidoNet policy document until superceded.

(There are no differences between this version and 4.06 except the statement
above.)



1  Overview

This document establishes the policy for sysops who are members of the
FidoNet organization of electronic bulletin board systems.  FidoNet is
defined by a NodeList issued weekly by the International Coordinator.

Separate policy documents may be issued at the zone, region, or net level to
provide additional detail on local procedures.  Ordinarily, these lower-level
policies may not contradict this policy.  However, with the approval of the
International Coordinator, local policy can be used to implement differences
required due to local conditions.  These local policies may not place
additional restrictions on members of FidoNet beyond those included in this
document, other than enforcement of local mail periods.



1.0  Language

The official language of FidoNet is English.  All documents must exist in
English.  Translation into other languages is encouraged.


1.1  Introduction

FidoNet is an amateur electronic mail system.  As such, all of its partici-
pants and operators are unpaid volunteers.  From its early beginning as a few
friends swapping messages back and forth (1984), it now (1989) includes over
5,000 systems on six continents.

FidoNet is not a common carrier or a value-added service network and is a
public network only in as much as the independent, constituent nodes may
individually provide public access to the network on their system.

FidoNet is large enough that it would quickly fall apart of its own weight
unless some sort of structure and control were imposed on it.  Multinet
operation provides the structure. Decentralized management provides the
control.  This document describes the procedures which have been developed to
manage the network.


1.2  Organization

FidoNet systems are grouped on several levels, and administration is decen-
tralized to correspond with these groupings.  This overview provides a
summary of the structure; specific duties of the coordinator positions are
given later in the document.

1.2.1  Individual Systems and System Operators

The smallest subdivision of FidoNet is the individual system, corresponding
to a single entry in the nodelist.  The system operator (sysop) formulates a
policy for running the board and dealing with users.  The sysop must mesh
with the rest of the FidoNet system to send and receive mail, and the local
policy must be consistent with other levels of FidoNet.

1.2.1.1  Users

The sysop is responsible for the actions of any user when they affect the
rest of FidoNet.  (If a user is annoying, the sysop is annoying.)  Any
traffic entering FidoNet via a given node, if not from the sysop, is consid-
ered to be from a user and is the responsibility of the sysop.  (See section
2.1.3.)

1.2.1.2  Points

A point is a FidoNet-compatible system that is not in the nodelist, but
communicates with FidoNet through a node referred to as a bossnode.  A point
is generally regarded in the same manner as a user, for example, the bossnode
is responsible for mail from the point.  (See section 2.1.3.)  Points are
addressed by using the bossnode's nodelist address; for example, a point
system with a bossnode of 114/15 might be known as 114/15.12.  Mail destined
for the point is sent to the bossnode, which then routes it to the point.

In supporting points, the bossnode makes use of a private net number which
should not be generally visible outside of the bossnode-point relationship.
Unfortunately, should the point call another system directly (to do a file
request, for example), the private network number will appear as the caller's
address.  In this way, points are different from users, since they operate
FidoNet-compatible mailers which are capable of contacting systems other than
the bossnode.


1.2.3  Networks and Network Coordinators

A network is a collection of nodes in a local geographic area, usually
defined by an area of convenient telephone calling.  Networks coordinate
their mail activity to decrease cost.

The Network Coordinator is responsible for maintaining the list of nodes for
the network, and for forwarding netmail sent to members of the network from
other FidoNet nodes.  The Network Coordinator may make arrangements to handle
outgoing netmail, but is not required to do so.

The Network Coordinator is appointed by the Regional Coordinator.

1.2.3.1  Network Routing Hubs

Network Routing Hubs exist only in some networks.  They may be appointed by
the Network Coordinator, in order to assist in the management of a large net-
work.  The exact duties and procedures are a matter for the Network Coordina-
tor and the hubs to arrange, and will not be discussed here, except that a
network coordinator cannot delegate responsibility to mediate disputes.

1.2.4  Regions and Regional Coordinators

A region is a well-defined geographic area containing nodes which may or may
not be combined into networks.  A typical region will contain many nodes in
networks, and a few independent nodes which are not a part of any network.

The Regional Coordinator maintains the list of independent nodes in the
region and accepts nodelists from the Network Coordinators in the region.
These are compiled to create a regional nodelist, which is then sent to the
Zone Coordinator.  A Regional Coordinator does not perform message-forwarding
services for any nodes in the region.

Regional Coordinators are appointed by the Zone Coordinator.


1.2.5  Zones and Zone Coordinators

A zone is a large geographic area containing many regions, covering one or
more countries and/or continents.

The Zone Coordinator compiles the nodelists from all of the regions in the
zone, and creates the master nodelist and difference file, which is then
distributed over FidoNet in the zone.  A Zone Coordinator does not perform
message-forwarding services for any nodes in the zone.

Zone Coordinators are selected by the Regional Coordinators in that zone.


1.2.6  Zone Coordinator Council

In certain cases, the Zone Coordinators work as a council to provide advice
to the International Coordinator.  The arrangement is similar to that between
a president and advisors.  In particular, this council considers inter-zonal
issues.  This includes, but is not limited to: working out the details of
nodelist production, mediating inter-zonal disputes, and such issues not
addressed at a lower level of FidoNet.


1.2.7  International Coordinator

The International Coordinator is the "first among equals" Zone Coordinator,
and coordinates the joint production of the master nodelist by the Zone
Coordinators.

The International Coordinator acts as the chair of the Zone Coordinator
Council and as the overseer of elections -- arranging the announcement of
referenda, the collection and counting of the ballots, and announcing the
results for those issues that affect FidoNet as a whole.

The International Coordinator is selected by the Zone Coordinators.


1.2.8  Top-down Organization.  Checks and Balances.

These levels act to distribute the administration and control of FidoNet to
the lowest possible level, while still allowing for coordinated action over
the entire mail system.  Administration is made possible by operating in a
top-down manner.  That is, a person at any given level is responsible to the
level above, and responsible for the level below.

For example, a Regional Coordinator is responsible to the Zone Coordinator
for anything that happens in the region.  From the point of view of the Zone
Coordinator, the Regional Coordinator is completely responsible for the
smooth operation of the region.  Likewise, from the point of view of the
Regional Coordinator, the Network Coordinator is completely responsible for
the smooth operation of the network.

If a person at any level above sysop is unable to properly perform their
duties, the person at the next level may replace them.  For example, if a
Regional Coordinator fails to perform, the Zone Coordinator can replace him.

To provide for checks and balances at the highest level of FidoNet, there are
two exceptions to this top-down organization.  Zone Coordinators and the
International Coordinator are selected by a majority vote of the coordinators
at the level below.  Similarly, decisions made by the International Coordina-
tor can be reversed by the Zone Coordinator Council, and decisions made by a
Zone Coordinator can be reversed by the Regional Coordinators.  See sections
6 and 7 for details.  Decisions made by other coordinators are not subject to
reversal by a vote of the lower level, but instead are subject to the appeal
process described in section 9.5.


1.3  Definitions

1.3.2  Geography

Each level of FidoNet is geographically contained by the level immediately
above it.  A given geographic location is covered by one zone and one region
within that zone, and is either in one network or not in a network.  There
are never two zones, two regions, or two networks which cover the same
geographic area.

If a node is in the area of a network, it should be listed in that network,
not as an independent in the region.  (The primary exception to this is a
node receiving inordinate amounts of host-routed mail; see section 4.2).
Network boundaries are based on calling areas as defined by the local
telephone company.  Even in the case of areas where node density is so great
that more than one network is needed to serve one local calling area, a geo-
graphic guideline is used to decide which nodes belong to what network.
Network membership is based on geographic or other purely technical ratio-
nale.  It is not based on personal or social factors.

There are cases in which the local calling areas lead to situations where
logic dictates that a node physically in one FidoNet Region should be
assigned to another.  In those cases, with the agreement of the Regional
Coordinators and Zone Coordinator involved, exemptions may be granted.  Such
exemptions are described in section 5.6.

1.3.4  Nodelist

The nodelist is a file updated weekly which contains the addresses of all
recognized FidoNet nodes.  This file is currently made available by the Zone
Coordinator not later than Zone Mail Hour each Saturday, and is available
electronically for download or file request at no charge.  To be included in
the nodelist, a system must meet the requirements defined by this document.
No other requirements may be imposed.

Partial nodelists (single-zone, for example) may be made available at
different levels in FidoNet.  The full list as published by the International
Coordinator is regarded as the official FidoNet nodelist, and is used in
circumstances such as determination of eligibility for voting.  All parts
that make up the full nodelist are available on each Zone Coordinator's and
each Regional Coordinator's system.


1.3.5  Excessively Annoying Behavior

There are references throughout this policy to "excessively annoying behav-
ior", especially in section 9 (Resolution of Disputes).  It is difficult to
define this term, as it is based upon the judgement of the coordinator
structure.  Generally speaking, annoying behavior irritates, bothers, or
causes harm to some other person.  It is not necessary to break a law to be
annoying.

There is a distinction between excessively annoying behavior and (simply)
annoying behavior.  For example, there is a learning curve that each new
sysop must climb, both in the technical issues of how to set up the software
and the social issues of how to interact with FidoNet.  It is a rare sysop
who, at some point in this journey, does not manage to annoy others.  Only
when such behavior persists, after being pointed out to the sysop, does it
becomes excessively annoying.  This does not imply that it is not possible to
be excessively annoying without repetition (for example, deliberate falsifi-
cation of mail would likely be excessively annoying on the very first try),
but simply illustrates that a certain amount of tolerance is extended.

Refer to section 9 and the case studies (section 10.3) for more information.


1.3.6  Commercial Use

FidoNet is an amateur network.  Participants spend their own time and money
to make it work for the good of all the users.  It is not appropriate for a
commercial enterprise to take advantage of these volunteer efforts to further
their own business interests.  On the other  hand, FidoNet provides a
convenient and effective means for companies and users to exchange informa-
tion, to the mutual benefit of all.

Network Coordinators could be forced to subsidize commercial operations by
forwarding host-routed netmail, and could even find themselves involved in a
lawsuit if any guarantee was suggested for mail delivery.   It is therefore
FidoNet policy that commercial mail is not to be routed.  "Commercial mail"
includes mail which furthers specific business interests without being of
benefit to the net as a whole.  Examples include company-internal mail,
inter-corporate mail, specific product inquiries (price quotes, for in-
stance), orders and their follow-ups, and  all other subjects specifically
related to business.


2  Sysop Procedures

2.1  General

2.1.1  The Basics

As the sysop of an individual node, you can generally do as you please, as
long as you observe mail events, are not excessively annoying to other nodes
in FidoNet, and do not promote or participate in the distribution of pirated
copyrighted software or other illegal behavior via FidoNet.


2.1.2  Familiarity with Policy

In order to understand the meaning of "excessively annoying", it is incumbent
upon all sysops to occasionally re-read FidoNet policy.  New sysops must
familiarize themselves with policy before requesting a node number.


2.1.3  Responsible for All Traffic Entering FidoNet Via the Node

The sysop listed in the nodelist entry is responsible for all traffic
entering FidoNet via that system.  This includes (but is not limited to)
traffic entered by users, points, and any other networks for which the system
might act as a gateway.  If a sysop allows "outside" messages to enter
FidoNet via the system, the gateway system must be clearly identified by
FidoNet node number as the point of origin of that message, and it must act
as a gateway in the reverse direction.  Should such traffic result in a
violation of Policy, the sysop must rectify the situation.

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There's more at the link above. Read it all to get the "flavor" and intent 
of what a new network could look like.

The future always builds on the past. I believe our experiences of the past can
form the basis for a new paradigm of true autonomy, freedom, and network neutrality.

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