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[Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu>]

On 08/08/2011 07:38 PM, Travis McCrea wrote:
> I vote no, not to be difficult but due to the wording of the business
> clause. The actual wording says that a corporation cannot register a
> domain, nor can any large business of over 50 people. That means if I
> wanted to register a domain name for AngryParrot.ca (which I *do* want
> to, but I am waiting on a decent general use domain name to come
> available), because Angry Parrot Communications Inc. is a corporation
> registered in the province of British Columbia.
> 
> Why is that clause in there in the first place? It seems silly to create
> a general purpose TLD (especially one that specifically says is to
> provide an alternative to .com, which stands for Commercial).
> 
.com is NOT a general purpose Top level domain! it stands for commercial
as you say, but it has been misused as a general purpose tld, as well as
.net, .org, thus .box should not be the OpenNIC version of .com, but
rather a real general purpose TLD.
The clause is there because i do not yet want to serve corporations and
such. (let's start small..) - beware it says "[..] for now.".
also note that "[..] send a request to have their name registered by NIC
and suspended definitively or http forward to a given URL."
so it would still be possible to at least have the main site reachable
by another domain, which probably is the plan anyway, i doubt that
another/different online presence would get up for the same
corporation/company on a .box domain.

> Also you say that the domain has to be between 3 and 6 characters long.
> That seems highly short. AngryParrot isn't that long of a TLD. nor are
> most of my other domain names that fall outside of that threshold:
> TravisMcCrea.com ZombieSurvivors.net  DigitalPatriots.org etc all over 6
> chars. 
> 
please quote me on that, it says 63, search for appropriate rfc, that is
just a reminder in a way.

> Also things that are banned include:
> • contents considered illegal by the registrants local laws.
> • Torrent Tracker
> 
> Since when did it become the TLDs responsibility to interfere with what
> happens on it's TLDs?
The train of thought was the aim to have less spam and abusive sites on
the net reachable that easily, imagine a spammer couldnt get a domain at
all..
> Furthermore, that's why we use different country
> codes as it is. If I am running wikileaks, I am not going to host it on
> a .com/.net because those open me up for extradition. You are directly
> blocking a person's human right to free speech by saying "well sorry you
> live in a dictatorship so you cannot voice your opinion". 
Please explain this part. i really doubt that's the case for my
proposal. (and generally speaking none of my interests).
> Furthermore it
> is not your responsibility to uphold their local laws, your
> responsibility is to uphold local laws... which brings me to torrent
> trackers. Torrent Trackers are not illegal, they do not put a burden on
> the NIC and they facilitate free sharing of information. They are the
> fastest way to get Linux Distros, and honestly I will take it a step
> further on the legal scale and simply say that sharing TV and Movies is
> a *good* thing... read my writings and Rick Falkvinge's (founder of the
> Pirate Party) at falkvinge.net.
> 
thanks for sharing this feedback that soon. (this proposal is a week in age)

the part on torrent tracker is rather vague and has been discussed on
IRC a while ago, not worth to correct at this point, of course legal
contents are not supposed to exclude. (beside it's a daemon, its
regarding the hosted contents)

> Our services are based on providing freedom from abusive policies that
> ICANN has created. These rules here are more restrictive than ICANN
> policies. 
I See.
> 
> I vote no, and I will be ***HIGHLY*** disappointed in OpenNIC if they
> let this pass in it's current form. 
that's really a coincidence i started the vote today and get a detailed
feedback like this that late thus the vote has to be stopped in any
case, it really is. isn't it.

thanks for your opinion.
> 
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 01:43 -0500, Hanselka, Alex wrote:
>> I approve.  Of course that may mean nothing but yeah :D
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Dominique Rehborn 
>> <dominique AT boxnet.eu>wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy OpenNIC folks,
>>>
>>> i am curious about running a tier 1 and would like to sponsor the top
>>> level domain .box, i started writing a charter, which still is a draft
>>> and requires your feedback, any comment appreciated.
>>>
>>> OpenNIC TLD Proposition
>>>
>>> Charter
>>>
>>> .box TLD - in the following document referred to as NIC.
>>>
>>> Proposal
>>> .box is a TLD meant as generic name space for general purposes like
>>> ICANN's .com, .org and .net TLD has been used (or misued by accident). a
>>> larger list of exceptions for abusive behavior and non-legitime contents
>>> is to be found in the policy to prevent disputes and criminal activity.
>>>
>>> Policy
>>>
>>> By Registering a NIC domain the Registrant agrees to the Policy.
>>>
>>> This Policy complies with OpenNIC Policies
>>> (http://wiki.opennic.glue/OpenNICPolicies) including following addition.
>>>
>>> Registration
>>> NIC domains can be registered by any individual or for an entity by an
>>> individual/natural person. Registrations may be challenged at any time
>>> if they are not held by an individual or if the holder cannot prove an
>>> outside relation justifying reservation of the name, to prevent
>>> "Cybersquatting". further exceptions are listed below.
>>>
>>> Limitations
>>> until further changes to the policy a registrant is allowed to hold a
>>> maximum of 10 domains (including a tollerance of 5) with exception to
>>> OpenNIC members, larger amounts of domain registrations require to
>>> request a quote including purpose of usage. (send your request to
>>> quote AT nic.box)
>>>
FYI again this the following part has been removed (see voting):
>>> domain names must be at least 3 characters long and can be at most 63
>>> characters long, a domain excluding TLD should never have more than 5
>>> labels to prevent dns spam.
>>>
--
>>> Activity
>>> NIC reserves the right to remove any domain not resolvable for more than
>>> a week.
>>>
>>> Nameserver Configuration
>>> NIC requires to setup a valid Zonefile, this includes a valid SOA and 2 
>>> NS.
>>>
>>> Non-Profit clause
>>> As this TLD is made available not for profit, domains (including
>>> subdomains) may not be transferred for compensation.
>>>
>>> Prohibited contents and behavior
>>> to limit a larger spectrum for abusive behavior the following is
>>> strictly forbidden, legitimate complaints regarding these activities
>>> will result in suspension and revocation of all appropriate domains:
>>>
>>> • general contents/activities considered illegal. this includes but is
>>> not limited to:
>>> ∘ spamming/cracking (including through non NIC systems)
>>> ∘ cracks/warez/malware/botnets/honeypots
>>> • contents considered illegal by the registrants local laws.
>>> • SEO/marketing websites
>>> • pornographic, racists/extremist contents
>>> • torrent tracker
>>>
>>> Big Business clause
>>> corporations, large enterprises (>50 employess) and financial entities
>>> are not allowed to expand their business under a NIC TLD for now. In
>>> case of a registered trademark, it is possible for the responsible to
>>> send a request to have their name registered by NIC and suspeneded
>>> definitively or http forward to a given URL.
>>> (This process requires verification, any cost created by this process
>>> will be covered by the responsible in question).
>>>
>>> Privacy
>>>
>>> • Personal data will only be collected and used if required for the
>>> creation or modification of a Handle. The registrant is obligated to
>>> keep this information up to date. The Registrant's Email address will
>>> only be used for information regarding their registered domains, policy
>>> changes and major system changes.
>>> • NIC does not give any personal information to third parties, with the
>>> exception of OpenNIC as far as they are required to reasonably or forced
>>> by law.
>>> • The registrant has the right to information and a right to amend, to
>>> suspend or to delete his saved information. If deletion conflicts with a
>>> legal or contractual duty to save information, or other legal grounds,
>>> the information will be made inaccessible.
>>>
>>> Warranty and Liability
>>> NIC tries to be as reliable and responsible as possible, however there
>>> is no warranty for availability. For direct damages, secondary damages
>>> or lost profits due to technical problems and disturbances we assume no
>>> liability.
>>>
>>> In addition, the Registrant agrees to free NIC from all claims by third
>>> parties in regard to illegal content or activity. The exemption
>>> obligation includes liability for all legal defence costs.
>>>
>>> Updates
>>> Minor changes, changes which will not affect registered domains, to the
>>> policy can be made without notice in order to close loopholes quickly
>>> and responsibly.
>>> Changes which require to be voted on will be announced at least one week
>>> before taking effect.
>>>
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>>> Dominique Rehborn dominique AT boxnet.eu
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