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[julian AT jdcomputers.com.au]

On 2014-04-24 16:40, Martin C wrote:
> We are here to provide censorship free DNS and an alternative DNS 
> system
> to ICANN. Maybe your view on OpenNIC is different? Not sure what else
> can be done?
> I'm not seeing any progress where network administrators are actively
> contacted to use OpenNIC. Larger ISPs need to be reached out too for
> they have
> access to the bandwidth we (surely) are seeking.

While we continue to have a model of open dns recursors we will not be 
taken seriously.

> The purpose of a wiki is collabaration. If you or anyone else finds
> outdated information, please, fix it!
> That point is only made when we _know_ something is oudated. I for one
> did not know something was outdated until informed via email. Everyone
> else would
> assume the information was good, I suspect. Where do we find out about
> updated information? I figured the list was the ideal place.

Did you try and update it once you found this out? I'll be really 
serious with you here. Over the 9 years I've now been involved in this 
project, help has been very lacking. We've had a lot of people like 
yourself who make a lot of noise about this and that, but never really 
offer to help. It's not like I appreciate what you've done with .oz so 
far, I do. But the issues you are talking about can be fixed. You've 
identified them, you surely can take the lead and fix what you see? Or 
is it easier to complain on here and not help? Know what I mean?

> lists about outdated information when you have the power, like the rest
> here reading, to fix it. If not, just ask and it will be given.
> I'm sure the webmaster group need to be informed of information
> changing, before they can publish the new data.

There is no webmaster group. It's just me.

> There is an IRC room on irc.freenode.org #opennic for which every 
> single
> person is invited to join.
> I'm not an IRC guy. I prefer email lists and forums for communication.
> Perhaps summaries of decisions and plan could be published here by
> someone once
> there is a consensus of the information. That way, everyone is kept
> informed, rather than needing to stick to one person's or one group's
> prefered
> method of communication.

I'm sorry here. IRC has been the defacto communication tool for OpenNIC 
for over 10 years. I don't see this changing any time soon. Not hard to 
fire up screen + irssi on your server and check in every week? Really?

> We are a community, so I encourge, no... I DARE you all to get involved
> and make OpenNIC THE WAY YOU SEE IT!
> I already asked last week what people were hoping to achieve here, and
> I got very little feedback. Quinn Wood replied with something very
> telling, so
> when noone rebuted it, I had the impression that it was generally
> agreed upon to be a good response. However, his response of a
> _probable_ goal for
> OpenNIC is not one I agreed with, once again no-one denied it or
> corrected him, so I left it at that.

We've achieved what we've set out to. We offer an alternative to ICANN. 
We are now supporting what we have and making ourselves more stable.

> I guess I wanted OpenNIC to sort of take on ICANN, offer that Great
> Alternative (TM), be the friendly, understanding, "for the people"
> grassroots effort
> that ICANN isn't and possibly could never be and offer a real
> challenge to them. There was some retaliation sure (DDoS for
> instance), so we responded
> with... whitelists. I never agreed with that idea and saw it as a form
> of "closing up" of OpenNIC.

I totally understand what you want. I'm sorry OpenNIC didn't offer it. 
How can we compete with ICANN with their massive resources? Seriously? 
We're running public resolvers on DSL lines... ICANN have massive 
anycast networks, staff, money. We can't possible compete. You have 
misunderstood the purpose of the whitelist alternative. It does not 
close OpenNIC. It is a positive reaction to those abusing the service we 
provide, what alternative is there when your server is participating in 
a 100Gbs ddos?

> I can only hope that there is a sense of direction within the core
> group for where you want to go. If there is, we surely don't know
> about it here.

There sure is a direction. It's been the same since Robin founded this 
group in 2001. We provide a true alternative to ICANN. We allow people 
to run their own DNS servers using our root for which they can control 
in any way they want. We've helped those who are in less lucky countries 
as ours access the freedom on the internet they deserve.

You've helped us in this goal, and so has everyone else running a 
server. My point is, I think you are over reacting, and not 
understanding what you've already helped achieve.

--julian