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Niles at 180 000 to apply I'm not sure Amazon wants to set a precedent that obstructs or contradicts everything ICANN bases it's tld marketing and sales as well as the registration quota requirements placed on TLDs.

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Saturday, 03 December 2016, 10:23PM -05:00 from Niles Rogoff <nilesrogoff AT gmail.com>:

I personally think the best option is to email someone at amazon and make sure they're aware of our situation. There might be a slim chance that they would consider not letting someone register a .free domain through their system if it was already registered on our .free, assuming we promise to seriously go after domain squatting and other abuse. They might also consider taking all of our currently existing .free domains under their registry, who knows. I think we should definitely move our .free to .libre when they say no, but it's definitely worth asking.

2016-12-03 22:19 GMT-05:00 kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>:

Well .....

a) we hold onto .free in our TIER1

and (maybe):
2) we probably SHOULD strongly urge ICANN to retract the Amazon
(ARSI) .free tld.

iii) we approach some legal entity that represents copyright and/or
similar litigation and see if there's anything that could be done to
retain some form of copyright (prior art of .free) precedence.

...

or we just stay with #1 of the "what do we do" proposal.

:)

Kevin

On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 20:09 -0700, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> Yikes, that's really bad.  Sounds exactly like facebook.
>
> So how do you propose we fight against them?
>
>
> On 12/03/2016 08:05 PM, kevin wrote:
>
> > wow!
> >
> > OK, this is more than just a "good fight" on principle.
> >
> > Has anyone read the Amazon .free TOS?
> >
> > http://nic.free/pdf/FREE-en-ConditionsOfUse.pdf
> >
> > "COPYRIGHT
> > All content included in or made available through any Site, such as
> > text, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips, digital
> > downloads, data compilations, and software is the property of ARSI or
> > its content suppliers and protected by United States and international
> > copyright laws. The compilation of all content included in or made
> > available through any Site is the exclusive property of ARSI and
> > protected by U.S. and international copyright laws"
> >
> > I say we hold strong to .free
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 20:49 -0600, kevin wrote:
> > > Yes, yes, that I know, Jeff.  :)
> > >
> > > What I was specifically speaking to was that ICANN could then sell
> > > off .OSS and .pirate and all the others and what will we do ...?
> > > Scramble to find a new .tld ?
> > >
> > > Of course, I'm speaking from a principle point of view when I saw we
> > > ignore .free, for the reasons I spoke.
> > >
> > > At the end of the day, if everyone with a .free is willing to move over
> > > to a .lib(re/er), then ...  hey ...  no biggie.  :D
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 19:37 -0700, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> > > > On 12/03/2016 07:16 PM, kevin wrote:
> > > > > As for ICANN, they could simply look at all OpenNIC tlds and grab them
> > > > > for ICANN use.
> > > > Actually that's not true.  We generate our own root zone for opennic,
> > > > and that script forces opennic TLDs to take precedence and override any
> > > > conflicting ICANN domains.  So even in our current situation where
> > > > Amazon's .free has made it into the ICANN root, we opennic users still
> > > > have full access to our existing domains.  The only way for the ICANN
> > > > TLD to get into our root zone is if I remove the references to opennic's
> > > > TLD first.  If we voted to create our own .com zone, we could do it
> > > > because we maintain full control of the zone files used by opennic from
> > > > top to bottom.  If we wanted to maintain ICANN's .com zone, but replace
> > > > google.com with our own domain, we could do that too.
> > > >
> > > > In case you don't realize it, I wrote the scripts and have been
> > > > maintaining opennic's root zone for a number of years.  Most people
> > > > never hear about this because for the most part everything runs smoothly
> > > > and your queries always return the results that you expect (yes there
> > > > have been some hiccups and I do what I can to try to make the scripts
> > > > more bulletproof when something breaks).  If I had ever betrayed that
> > > > trust, you can bet that everyone would have known about it!
> > > >
> > > > However the point is that the root zone is an absolutely critical piece
> > > > of the DNS infrastructure, and changes to the root can have significant
> > > > affects on how you see the whole internet.  We can shape that view
> > > > however we want, and ICANN cannot simply reserve our existing TLDs and
> > > > shut us down.  The initial purpose of opennic was to show that ICANN
> > > > does not HAVE to be the ones in control of the internet, and that anyone
> > > > can set up a DNS service to do the same thing as them, but without the
> > > > huge costs.  We've been here for over 16 years and have a world-wide
> > > > presence.  They may try ignore us, but the proof is here that ICANN is
> > > > not actually as important as they would like to think.
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