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[Simon Castano <netherland-office AT liberland.org>]

Agreed with the below.

1. Bring this up with Amazon and see if they have any interest in 
playing nicely
2. Prepare to move .free OpenNIC domains to an alternate TLD
3. Eventually work with Amazon to have OpenNIC .free domains registered 
under Amazon .free and/or move .free conflicting OpenNIC domains to an 
alternate OpenNIC TLD

Greetings,

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Simon

On 2016-12-04 03:18, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> Wow I didn't realize this discussion had blown up today!  I just got
> caught up, so let me see what I can answer...
>
> First and foremost... I think it would be a great idea to bring this
> up with Amazon and see if they have any interest in playing nicely
> with others, especially as it was suggested that they intend to give
> domains out for free, so there's a chance they may be willing to
> accept our currently registered domains into their pool (and you can
> bet it has to go that way, they won't be interested in letting us
> continue to manage domains for the TLD).  I think that would be the
> best we could hope for.  With that said, I don't have the time nor
> energy to get into this fight, and I wouldn't know where to begin. If
> someone wants to collect the information and contacts, including any
> possibility of a precedence, I could probably draft the emails to be
> sent to Amazon to try and get the ball rolling, but I can't guarantee
> much else.  If for some reason Amazon does agree to accept our
> currently registered domains into their zone, it would set a strong
> precedence for the future that could be used for more difficult cases.
>
> Also I didn't think of this last night, but as of now I have disabled
> registering any new domains under .free until we get this sorted.  If
> you find you are unable to renew any existing domains that are about
> to expire, please send me a private email and I'll get it fixed.
>
> Just to clarify, if we decide to keep our zone then we would drop
> ICANN's zone completely.  This is actually what is happening now, if
> you look at the opennic root zone, you will see no mention of the
> ICANN zone.  Therefore there would be no issue in dealing with
> collisions -- it's an all or nothing thing, opennic either supports
> one zone or the other but not both.
>
> If we decide to move our existing domains to a new TLD, it would carry
> the same policy as the existing .free.  To be perfectly honest, I
> don't even know what that policy is.  However as with previous
> collisions, the voting process would be much more streamlined.  The
> policy has already been previously approved, so if we decide to
> transfer to a new TLD then the only thing we need to vote on is what
> exactly that new TLD will be called (I vote for .beer), and how much
> time we want to give the domain owners before we cut all support for
> opennic's .free.  The transition itself would be mostly painless... I
> can dump the existing domain information into a new zone file in just
> a few minutes, and I could add a temporary policy to reg.for.free to
> maintain a mirror of the domain information between both TLDs during
> the transition period.  On the technical side of things, a migration
> would be very easy.  The real issue will be in the update of all the
> web pages and the servers supporting the existing domains, and that's
> why we need a clear period of time to perform the transition.
>
> Personally I don't feel like option #1 is really an option we should
> pursue.  Users won't be as interested in opennic if we don't fully
> support the whole internet.  Since we do have a large number of
> existing domains under .free, option #3 is just a bad move and
> destroys people's faith in the project.  When the .ing zone was
> dropped last year, I supported that because despite having a huge
> number of registered zones, almost none of them were actually active
> (keep in mind that .free and .geek EACH had over 5000 registered
> domains when I took over, but once I called for active domain renewals
> we found that most of those had been abandoned).  The only way that #3
> makes sense is if, like I said above, Amazon is willing to absorb our
> existing domains into their pool.  Which leaves us with option #2.
> Obviously there has been a lot of support for .free over the years,
> and if there is no way to reconcile with Amazon, then I feel like this
> would be the only path that opennic can take, and we should be
> prepared for this as the most likely outcome.
>
>
>
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