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[kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>]

Well .....

a) we hold onto .free in our TIER1

and (maybe):
2) we probably SHOULD strongly urge ICANN to retract the Amazon
(ARSI) .free tld.

iii) we approach some legal entity that represents copyright and/or
similar litigation and see if there's anything that could be done to
retain some form of copyright (prior art of .free) precedence.

...

or we just stay with #1 of the "what do we do" proposal.

:)

Kevin

On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 20:09 -0700, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> Yikes, that's really bad.  Sounds exactly like facebook.
> 
> So how do you propose we fight against them?
> 
> 
> On 12/03/2016 08:05 PM, kevin wrote:
> 
> > wow!
> > 
> > OK, this is more than just a "good fight" on principle.
> > 
> > Has anyone read the Amazon .free TOS?
> > 
> > http://nic.free/pdf/FREE-en-ConditionsOfUse.pdf
> > 
> > "COPYRIGHT
> > All content included in or made available through any Site, such as
> > text, graphics, logos, button icons, images, audio clips, digital
> > downloads, data compilations, and software is the property of ARSI or
> > its content suppliers and protected by United States and international
> > copyright laws. The compilation of all content included in or made
> > available through any Site is the exclusive property of ARSI and
> > protected by U.S. and international copyright laws"
> > 
> > I say we hold strong to .free
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 20:49 -0600, kevin wrote:
> > > Yes, yes, that I know, Jeff.  :)
> > > 
> > > What I was specifically speaking to was that ICANN could then sell
> > > off .OSS and .pirate and all the others and what will we do ...?
> > > Scramble to find a new .tld ?
> > > 
> > > Of course, I'm speaking from a principle point of view when I saw we
> > > ignore .free, for the reasons I spoke.
> > > 
> > > At the end of the day, if everyone with a .free is willing to move over
> > > to a .lib(re/er), then ...  hey ...  no biggie.  :D
> > > 
> > > Kevin
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2016-12-03 at 19:37 -0700, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> > > > On 12/03/2016 07:16 PM, kevin wrote:
> > > > > As for ICANN, they could simply look at all OpenNIC tlds and grab 
> > > > > them
> > > > > for ICANN use.
> > > > Actually that's not true.  We generate our own root zone for opennic, 
> > > > and that script forces opennic TLDs to take precedence and override 
> > > > any 
> > > > conflicting ICANN domains.  So even in our current situation where 
> > > > Amazon's .free has made it into the ICANN root, we opennic users 
> > > > still 
> > > > have full access to our existing domains.  The only way for the ICANN 
> > > > TLD to get into our root zone is if I remove the references to 
> > > > opennic's 
> > > > TLD first.  If we voted to create our own .com zone, we could do it 
> > > > because we maintain full control of the zone files used by opennic 
> > > > from 
> > > > top to bottom.  If we wanted to maintain ICANN's .com zone, but 
> > > > replace 
> > > > google.com with our own domain, we could do that too.
> > > > 
> > > > In case you don't realize it, I wrote the scripts and have been 
> > > > maintaining opennic's root zone for a number of years.  Most people 
> > > > never hear about this because for the most part everything runs 
> > > > smoothly 
> > > > and your queries always return the results that you expect (yes there 
> > > > have been some hiccups and I do what I can to try to make the scripts 
> > > > more bulletproof when something breaks).  If I had ever betrayed that 
> > > > trust, you can bet that everyone would have known about it!
> > > > 
> > > > However the point is that the root zone is an absolutely critical 
> > > > piece 
> > > > of the DNS infrastructure, and changes to the root can have 
> > > > significant 
> > > > affects on how you see the whole internet.  We can shape that view 
> > > > however we want, and ICANN cannot simply reserve our existing TLDs 
> > > > and 
> > > > shut us down.  The initial purpose of opennic was to show that ICANN 
> > > > does not HAVE to be the ones in control of the internet, and that 
> > > > anyone 
> > > > can set up a DNS service to do the same thing as them, but without 
> > > > the 
> > > > huge costs.  We've been here for over 16 years and have a world-wide 
> > > > presence.  They may try ignore us, but the proof is here that ICANN 
> > > > is 
> > > > not actually as important as they would like to think.
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