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[Jonah Aragon <jonaharagon AT gmail.com>]

For every person announcing their departure here on the mailing list, 5 people show their intentions to join and commit servers to our project on various platforms, especially IRC. It's too bad some people here have left, but this is a wonderful time to be a part of OpenNIC.

The changes I propose are discussion points, not votes. This is the reason I'm not fond of the people yelling their disagreements in these threads. I'm looking for suggestions, comments, and constructive criticism, not denial and anger over these little matters. This is only a discussion.

IF these projects go to a vote in the future that's the time to show your support or disagreement. They're only proposals until the voting process, and I want to include other people's comments and suggestions as I build these changes.

There's a fair chance you've already left, which is a shame, but I hope everyone else having similar thoughts will realize these are just talking points to bring about a more concise, inclusive, and up-to-date community, because nobody else likes to bring these things up. These aren't guarantees of our future directions. 

Jonah

On May 10, 2017 6:20 PM, <an0n1 AT riseup.net> wrote:

So... this is from April 30 and I've chosen not to respond to these types of decisions / votes within the *OPEN* NIC community, though I must here regardless of anything already decided upon by Jonah. I do not believe I am mistaken when I say that Jonah seems to make only vote that counts for much anymore. Yes, you are highly talented and motivated. Though I feel these qualities can and do lead to overhasty choices that are contrary to OpenNIC's purpose, and thus its Existence as Community of Living Beings. And for that matter, contrary to any good intentions in any setting. I've witnessed too much "change for change sake" within time I am in this community, however really a part I may be. I'm not sure what else I need to express in this topic.

On general front I see many people shutting down name servers, leaving community, withdraw from mailing list, stop however they participate since I begin using with gratitude OpenNIC DNS. Why stop? I think this question vital to understand its answer.

For now and until OpenNIC re-evolves into a recognizable open, democratic "system", I too will stop subscription.

On 30.04.2017 22:41, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:

Clearing cookies/cache on browser close is even more important in
modern times given the "Share on x" buttons on every site.

--

-Dan Q

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:06:28 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:

You and I obviously see computers as completely
different animals. I leave everything open all
the time and never close anything. Perhaps this
is a luxury, but computers have been able to do
this for 10 years now.

Also, sorry if I came across a bit strong in my
previous comment, but to me closing programs on
a modern computer just sounded so bizarre that
it took me aback. :) I don't even know what a
"background program" is.

~ Ole


On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
"Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

> WTF? I do use desktops. Why would you want to leave any
> non-background program running 24/7?
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 12:16:47 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
>
> > What a bizarre comment. Who logs out of their browser?
> > Open it and leave it that way until some maintenance
> > event that requires a reboot.
> >
> > I realize that some people don't use a computer these
> > days, and that's their choice of course. But for those
> > of us who do, there is no requirement for logging out.
> >
> > ~ Ole
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT)
> > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not clearing cookies when you close your browser is a
> > > bad idea.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:15 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Once logged in, you can stay that way. There
> > > > is no requirement to log out. Just go to the
> > > > relevant tab or window and it will all be there.
> > > >
> > > > ~ Ole
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It would be really annoying to have to manually
> > > > > log into a Web site once a week and see if there
> > > > > is something new to vote on. The mailing list
> > > > > brings everything to your face. I've made my
> > > > > decision - I vote No.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 08:40:04 -0400, Maiyannah
> > > > > Bishop <maiyannah.bishop AT postactiv.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not really interested in doing this, but I
> > > > > > don't think that people care to listen to me, so
> > > > > > whatever, I guess I'll just unsubscribe. -mb
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2017-04-20 08:08, Jonah Aragon wrote:
> > > > > > > The idea is basically, we need a good
> > > > > > > community discussion platform for newcomers
> > > > > > > (and current members as well). Especially in
> > > > > > > the way of support, the mailing list just
> > > > > > > isn't as inviting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd like to replace the mailing list
> > > > > > > completely because I don't want to create
> > > > > > > fragmentation in the community, we would have
> > > > > > > two similar systems running with different
> > > > > > > purposes with different members and nothing
> > > > > > > would get done. It's hard to get anything
> > > > > > > done as it is with our current system, and I
> > > > > > > definitely don't want to add to that issue
> > > > > > > (which in my opinion, is OpenNIC's biggest
> > > > > > > flaw).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Functionality hopefully shouldn't be too
> > > > > > > different for die-hard mailing list users,
> > > > > > > but hopefully people will switch.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Discourse is proven in numerous communities.
> > > > > > > Ubuntu, Let's Encrypt, Atom.io, Docker, and
> > > > > > > Imgur, to name a few I can think of off the
> > > > > > > top of my head.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We'll test it tonight and see if it works out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2017 6:55 AM, "Zach Gibbens"
> > > > > > > <zachgibbens AT zachgibbens.org
> > > > > > > <mailto:zachgibbens AT zachgibbens.org>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Still wondering what the goal here is?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>     -------- Original Message --------
> > > > > > >>     Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Moving to
> > > > > > >> Discourse (Forum + Mailing List Replacement)
> > > > > > >>     Local Time: April 20, 2017 11:46 AM
> > > > > > >>     UTC Time: April 20, 2017 11:46 AM
> > > > > > >>     From: deep.alexander AT gmail.com
> > > > > > >> <mailto:deep.alexander AT gmail.com> To:
> > > > > > >> discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > > > >> <mailto:discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>     If you can get some of the skeptics to
> > > > > > >> test it too that'd be great!
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>     On 20 Apr 2017 1:31 p.m., "Jonah Aragon"
> > > > > > >> <jonaharagon AT gmail.com
> > > > > > >> <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>         I'm going to set up a testing server
> > > > > > >> for us tonight, I'll post a link then and
> > > > > > >> maybe some of us can test how the mailing
> > > > > > >> list functions exactly.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>         Jonah
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>         On Apr 20, 2017 3:44 AM, "Alex
> > > > > > >> Nordlund" <deep.alexander AT gmail.com
> > > > > > >> <mailto:deep.alexander AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>             On 20 Apr 2017 10:04 a.m.,
> > > > > > >> <vv AT cgs.pw <mailto:vv AT cgs.pw>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>                 Does it really
> > > > > > >>                 work like an email list
> > > > > > >> (reflector)? Would there be some differences?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>                 If not, then a move to
> > > > > > >> Discourse would not be discernible by most
> > > > > > >> people here.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>             Unfortunately there were some
> > > > > > >> slight differences and I can't quite
> > > > > > >> remember the details, but it'd be great if
> > > > > > >> we could get some skeptics and give it a
> > > > > > >> try. Given how popular the topic at hand is
> > > > > > >> we really ought to document the issues into
> > > > > > >> a wiki page.
> > > > > > >>
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