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[<vv AT cgs.pw>]

Talking points, suggestions, opinions and ideas, seem
to frighten some people. Not everybody can deal with
diversity. That seems a bit sad, but it is the way they
are and it is their choice. I respect that.

That said, it does look like IRC is the medium of choice
for most people. Perhaps those (3?) leaving the mailing
list didn't understand that this can also be a place
for discussion and not just voting.

~ Ole

On Wed, 10 May 2017 19:06:40 -0500
Jonah Aragon <jonaharagon AT gmail.com> wrote:

> For every person announcing their departure here on the
> mailing list, 5 people show their intentions to join and
> commit servers to our project on various platforms,
> especially IRC. It's too bad some people here have left,
> but this is a wonderful time to be a part of OpenNIC.
> 
> The changes I propose are discussion points, not votes.
> This is the reason I'm not fond of the people yelling
> their disagreements in these threads. I'm looking for
> suggestions, comments, and constructive criticism, not
> denial and anger over these little matters. This is only
> a discussion.
> 
> IF these projects go to a vote in the future that's the
> time to show your support or disagreement. They're only
> proposals until the voting process, and I want to include
> other people's comments and suggestions as I build these
> changes.
> 
> There's a fair chance you've already left, which is a
> shame, but I hope everyone else having similar thoughts
> will realize these are just talking points to bring about
> a more concise, inclusive, and up-to-date community,
> because nobody else likes to bring these things up. These
> aren't guarantees of our future directions.
> 
> Jonah
> 
> On May 10, 2017 6:20 PM, <an0n1 AT riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> So... this is from April 30 and I've chosen not to
> respond to these types of decisions / votes within the
> *OPEN* NIC community, though I must here regardless of
> anything already decided upon by Jonah. I do not believe
> I am mistaken when I say that Jonah seems to make only
> vote that counts for much anymore. Yes, you are highly
> talented and motivated. Though I feel these qualities can
> and do lead to overhasty choices that are contrary to
> OpenNIC's purpose, and thus its Existence as Community of
> Living Beings. And for that matter, contrary to any good
> intentions in any setting. I've witnessed too much
> "change for change sake" within time I am in this
> community, however really a part I may be. I'm not sure
> what else I need to express in this topic.
> 
> On general front I see many people shutting down name
> servers, leaving community, withdraw from mailing list,
> stop however they participate since I begin using with
> gratitude OpenNIC DNS. Why stop? I think this question
> vital to understand its answer.
> 
> For now and until OpenNIC re-evolves into a recognizable
> open, democratic "system", I too will stop subscription.
> 
> 
> On 30.04.2017 22:41, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> 
> > Clearing cookies/cache on browser close is even more
> > important in modern times given the "Share on x"
> > buttons on every site.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> > On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:06:28 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> >
> > You and I obviously see computers as completely  
> >> different animals. I leave everything open all
> >> the time and never close anything. Perhaps this
> >> is a luxury, but computers have been able to do
> >> this for 10 years now.
> >>
> >> Also, sorry if I came across a bit strong in my
> >> previous comment, but to me closing programs on
> >> a modern computer just sounded so bizarre that
> >> it took me aback. :) I don't even know what a
> >> "background program" is.
> >>
> >> ~ Ole
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
> >> "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >>  
> >> > WTF? I do use desktops. Why would you want to leave
> >> > any non-background program running 24/7?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > -Dan Q
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 12:16:47 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw>
> >> > wrote: 
> >> > > What a bizarre comment. Who logs out of their
> >> > > browser? Open it and leave it that way until some
> >> > > maintenance event that requires a reboot.
> >> > >
> >> > > I realize that some people don't use a computer
> >> > > these days, and that's their choice of course. But
> >> > > for those of us who do, there is no requirement
> >> > > for logging out.
> >> > >
> >> > > ~ Ole
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 16:54:45 -0400 (EDT)
> >> > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >> > >  
> >> > > > Not clearing cookies when you close your browser
> >> > > > is a bad idea.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Dan Q
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:15 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw>
> >> > > > wrote: 
> >> > > > > Once logged in, you can stay that way. There
> >> > > > > is no requirement to log out. Just go to the
> >> > > > > relevant tab or window and it will all be
> >> > > > > there.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ~ Ole
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT)
> >> > > > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >  
> >> > > > > > It would be really annoying to have to
> >> > > > > > manually log into a Web site once a week and
> >> > > > > > see if there is something new to vote on.
> >> > > > > > The mailing list brings everything to your
> >> > > > > > face. I've made my decision - I vote No.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > -Dan Q
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 08:40:04 -0400, Maiyannah
> >> > > > > > Bishop <maiyannah.bishop AT postactiv.com>
> >> > > > > > wrote: 
> >> > > > > > > I'm not really interested in doing this,
> >> > > > > > > but I don't think that people care to
> >> > > > > > > listen to me, so whatever, I guess I'll
> >> > > > > > > just unsubscribe. -mb
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 2017-04-20 08:08, Jonah Aragon wrote:  
> >> > > > > > > > The idea is basically, we need a good
> >> > > > > > > > community discussion platform for
> >> > > > > > > > newcomers (and current members as well).
> >> > > > > > > > Especially in the way of support, the
> >> > > > > > > > mailing list just isn't as inviting.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I'd like to replace the mailing list
> >> > > > > > > > completely because I don't want to create
> >> > > > > > > > fragmentation in the community, we would
> >> > > > > > > > have two similar systems running with
> >> > > > > > > > different purposes with different
> >> > > > > > > > members and nothing would get done. It's
> >> > > > > > > > hard to get anything done as it is with
> >> > > > > > > > our current system, and I definitely
> >> > > > > > > > don't want to add to that issue (which
> >> > > > > > > > in my opinion, is OpenNIC's biggest
> >> > > > > > > > flaw).
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Functionality hopefully shouldn't be too
> >> > > > > > > > different for die-hard mailing list
> >> > > > > > > > users, but hopefully people will switch.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Discourse is proven in numerous
> >> > > > > > > > communities. Ubuntu, Let's Encrypt,
> >> > > > > > > > Atom.io, Docker, and Imgur, to name a
> >> > > > > > > > few I can think of off the top of my
> >> > > > > > > > head.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > We'll test it tonight and see if it
> >> > > > > > > > works out.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Regards,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Jonah
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2017 6:55 AM, "Zach Gibbens"
> >> > > > > > > > <zachgibbens AT zachgibbens.org
> >> > > > > > > > <mailto:zachgibbens AT zachgibbens.org>>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >     Still wondering what the goal here
> >> > > > > > > > is?
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >  
> >> > > > > > > >>     -------- Original Message --------
> >> > > > > > > >>     Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss]
> >> > > > > > > >> Moving to Discourse (Forum + Mailing
> >> > > > > > > >> List Replacement) Local Time: April 20,
> >> > > > > > > >> 2017 11:46 AM UTC Time: April 20, 2017
> >> > > > > > > >> 11:46 AM From: deep.alexander AT gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > >> <mailto:deep.alexander AT gmail.com> To:
> >> > > > > > > >> discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> >> > > > > > > >> <mailto:discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>     If you can get some of the skeptics
> >> > > > > > > >> to test it too that'd be great!
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>     On 20 Apr 2017 1:31 p.m., "Jonah
> >> > > > > > > >> Aragon" <jonaharagon AT gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > >> <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>         I'm going to set up a testing
> >> > > > > > > >> server for us tonight, I'll post a link
> >> > > > > > > >> then and maybe some of us can test how
> >> > > > > > > >> the mailing list functions exactly.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>         Jonah
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>         On Apr 20, 2017 3:44 AM, "Alex
> >> > > > > > > >> Nordlund" <deep.alexander AT gmail.com
> >> > > > > > > >> <mailto:deep.alexander AT gmail.com>>
> >> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>             On 20 Apr 2017 10:04 a.m.,
> >> > > > > > > >> <vv AT cgs.pw <mailto:vv AT cgs.pw>> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>                 Does it really
> >> > > > > > > >>                 work like an email list
> >> > > > > > > >> (reflector)? Would there be some
> >> > > > > > > >> differences?
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>                 If not, then a move to
> >> > > > > > > >> Discourse would not be discernible by
> >> > > > > > > >> most people here.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>             Unfortunately there were
> >> > > > > > > >> some slight differences and I can't
> >> > > > > > > >> quite remember the details, but it'd be
> >> > > > > > > >> great if we could get some skeptics and
> >> > > > > > > >> give it a try. Given how popular the
> >> > > > > > > >> topic at hand is we really ought to
> >> > > > > > > >> document the issues into a wiki page.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >>
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