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[Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net>]

I'd say that anything that's not under our control at least for archiving should be avoided. Also anything unarchivable (voice) should be avoided. Maybe talk casually with people, but anything more important  should be over text simply so that it can later be checked in logs. IRC is fine in this respect even though it's not self hosted - we can safely log it and it's not likely to disappear. If it does, not much of value is lost anyway (we keep the logs and just move elsewhere). Stuff like Slack is more problematic - setting up logging is more complicated and it has to be explicitly done (whereas most IRC clients log by default).

Matrix seems like a good addition or drop-in replacement to IRC if it can bridge seamlessly (does it though?). Obviously the mailing lists are used for everything else and the most important stuff like voting, but I don't think we need much besides this core. OpenNic always used mailing lists and IRC and they have proven as pretty much the most fair and reliable communication channels.

Dne 20.02.2017 v 23:07 Jonah Aragon napsal(a):

To be fair, Matrix is a bit more than "IRC re-written in http", it's a completely different system. Although there are applications that bridge the two, which might make any move to Matrix (if that were proposed) a bit easier on the people who'll inevitably refuse to leave Freenode. Matrix is self-hostable, has a fair amount of clients (https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html; which includes a Weechat plugin if you like the command line, nobody's making you use Riot), and IIRC supports VoIP: so theoretically if we moved to a Matrix room, we could take out IRC, Discord, Slack, and Mumble in one fell swoop :)

I'm 100% happy with chat so I don't really see a need to switch from IRC at the moment (although I did join the Discord just in case that takes off), but if somebody around here DID want to go with Matrix I'd be completely behind that, it's a neat chat protocol. In all honesty it'd be nice to use a client that might work better on my phone besides this Quassel app I'm currently using.

Jonah

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:36 PM Verax <verax AT 8chan.co> wrote:

The interest in a discord group is voice chat.  Matrix is just IRC
re-written in http (because that's a good idea)  Currently the webapp is
the most computationally intensive thing my computer does, the firefox
window with Riot open uses more ram than most of my steam library.

IRC will run on a toaster, in any imaginable language, and there are
clients for every pedantic use case.  If you want to use Matrix, just
use the IRC relay to freenode.

Regards,
Verax

Famicoman wrote:
> Instead of a Discord group though yet another group messaging
> application, I'd rather see a channel created on Matrix
> (http://matrix.org) which can bridge to IRC directly.
>
> This way you have all of the IRC conversation with push notifications
> using a nice federated protocol. >
> Just my 0.02.
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> On Feb 18, 2017 3:49 PM, <lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com > <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     For people whom don't prefer IRC, for what ever reason, nor forums,
>     we have a
>     solution for you,
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>     Join the unofficial Discord at: discord.gg/bCKFkN3 >     <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> today and receive,
>     - Real Time Chat
>     - Work Group Discussion
>     - Voice chat and more.
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>     Join Today at discord.gg/bCKFkN3 <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>! >
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