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Voice is fine if people want to live chat, or maybe have some chat
sessions at pre-determined times.  There's a lot of value to verbal
conversation for low-intensity chat, and IRC isn't for everyone.  But in
any case, the ML should be the solitary official communication channel.

Regarding matrix, I know that there's a lot more to it, but on a
functional level, it's IRC in HTTP.  Which causes weechat to shit itself
if there's more than 5 people in a channel.  From what I've seen, riot
is the only really working client, and it's resource-heavy.
Matrix seems like a good idea with a disaster of implementation.

Love,
Verax

Theo B wrote:
> I don't think voice should be completely avoided... Fusl, Stephan and I
> were in voice the other day and it was really helpful to talk about
> various things (nothing of insane importance)
> 
> 
> -Theo
>>
>> On 2/20/2017 7:57:53 PM, Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'd say that anything that's not under our control /at least for
>> archiving/ should be avoided. Also anything unarchivable (voice)
>> should be avoided. Maybe talk casually with people, but anything more
>> important  should be over text simply so that it can later be checked
>> in logs. IRC is fine in this respect even though it's not self hosted
>> - we can safely log it and it's not likely to disappear. If it does,
>> not much of value is lost anyway (we keep the logs and just move
>> elsewhere). Stuff like Slack is more problematic - setting up logging
>> is more complicated and it has to be explicitly done (whereas most IRC
>> clients log by default).
>>
>> Matrix seems like a good addition or drop-in replacement to IRC if it
>> can bridge seamlessly (does it though?). Obviously the mailing lists
>> are used for everything else and the most important stuff like voting,
>> but I don't think we need much besides this core. OpenNic always used
>> mailing lists and IRC and they have proven as pretty much the most
>> fair and reliable communication channels.
>>
>>
>> Dne 20.02.2017 v 23:07 Jonah Aragon napsal(a):
>>> To be fair, Matrix is a bit more than "IRC re-written in http", it's
>>> a completely different system. Although there are applications that
>>> bridge the two, which might make any move to Matrix (if that were
>>> proposed) a bit easier on the people who'll inevitably refuse to
>>> leave Freenode. Matrix is self-hostable, has a fair amount of clients
>>> (https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html; which includes
>>> a Weechat plugin if you like the command line, nobody's making you
>>> use Riot), and IIRC supports VoIP: so theoretically if we moved to a
>>> Matrix room, we could take out IRC, Discord, Slack, and Mumble in one
>>> fell swoop :)
>>>
>>> I'm 100% happy with chat so I don't really see a need to switch from
>>> IRC at the moment (although I did join the Discord just in case that
>>> takes off), but if somebody around here DID want to go with Matrix
>>> I'd be completely behind that, it's a neat chat protocol. In all
>>> honesty it'd be nice to use a client that might work better on my
>>> phone besides this Quassel app I'm currently using.
>>>
>>> Jonah
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:36 PM Verax <verax AT 8chan.co
>>> <mailto:verax AT 8chan.co>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     The interest in a discord group is voice chat.  Matrix is just IRC
>>>     re-written in http (because that's a good idea)  Currently the
>>>     webapp is
>>>     the most computationally intensive thing my computer does, the
>>>     firefox
>>>     window with Riot open uses more ram than most of my steam library.
>>>
>>>     IRC will run on a toaster, in any imaginable language, and there are
>>>     clients for every pedantic use case.  If you want to use Matrix, just
>>>     use the IRC relay to freenode.
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Verax
>>>
>>>     Famicoman wrote:
>>>     > Instead of a Discord group though yet another group messaging
>>>     > application, I'd rather see a channel created on Matrix
>>>     > (http://matrix.org) which can bridge to IRC directly.
>>>     >
>>>     > This way you have all of the IRC conversation with push
>>>     notifications
>>>     > using a nice federated protocol.
>>>     >
>>>     > Just my 0.02.
>>>     >
>>>     > On Feb 18, 2017 3:49 PM, <lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com>
>>>     > <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >     For people whom don't prefer IRC, for what ever reason, nor
>>>     forums,
>>>     >     we have a
>>>     >     solution for you,
>>>     >
>>>     >     Join the unofficial Discord at: discord.gg/bCKFkN3
>>>     <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>
>>>     >     <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> today and receive,
>>>     >     - Real Time Chat
>>>     >     - Work Group Discussion
>>>     >     - Voice chat and more.
>>>     >
>>>     >     Join Today at discord.gg/bCKFkN3
>>>     <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>!
>>>     >
>>>     >
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