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[JC <jc AT motorsports-x.com>]

I prefer forums to irc by far.  But that's just me. 

On Mar 13, 2017 15:02, "Joseph Marsden" <josephmarsden AT towerdevs.xyz> wrote:

I would also have to agree with this, there is no reason for OpenNIC conversations to be encrypted/secret, in fact they should be as public as possible for maximum transparency. Basically everything is compatible with IRC nowadays and there's no point moving to some closed source third party application.

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From: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org [mailto:discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Quintiliani
Sent: 13 March 2017 7:54 PM
To: discuss <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC Unofficial Discord.

You can't honestly be serious about moving away from IRC and the inconvenience it would cause to people? Is there any justification for leaving IRC? Freenode has SSL, we have no problems with spam, there is no reason for OpenNIC to do its business in secret, people will have to leave extra closed-source programs running at the same time, which might not work on Linux and for what? FOR WHAT?

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-Dan Q


On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:17:39 -0000, "Nadia Larsen" <an0n1 AT riseup.net> wrote:

> 20 days later... but I must state that I applaud both Jikan & Fusl for
> their philosophies regarding privacy & support of open source software
> in their contained statements. I *was* going to suggest using Telegram
> for its somewhat enhanced privacy & security, though 100% open sourced
> it is not, nor is it actually known to be either private or secure for
> its aforementioned lack of transparency. It's been 50% so -
> client-side code is, server side is not - since its inception, so I'd
> say they've no plans at all on open sourcing the server side / cloud
> based encryption proto, w/e it is. There is, however, OpenWhisper's
> Signal protocol which is open source & is a relatively private &
> secure means of communication. It does not yet have a desktop client;
> however, it does have browser usability. I recommend using it in
> conjuction with any Windows OS & its preinstalled browser. <-
> *KIDDING!* And moving on... Telegram does have a desktop client, and a
> fairly reliable infrastructure for group chats. (Signal is also
> reliable, though its group chat implementation doesn't have the added
> 'eye-candy' that some peeps are drawn to). If what we're going for a
> is an open source, private, secure platform with self-hosting
> capabilities, I'd personally go with the Chat Secure platform, use its
> highest level of encryption available, use OTR messaging over
> jabber.otr.im, duckgo.com, or, if self-hosting, use e.g.
> OpenNICideas.o / .libre / .pirate / ...  and *do so over Tor's
> 'infrastructure'*. But I doubt the 'out-of-the-box, easy to set up,
> really don't care about what's under the hood, only care about looking
> at how pretty it is' peeps (if any exist that would even care about
> joining said chat(s) exist @
> OpenNIC) would even bother to give it a look.
>
> Belatedly & with respect,
> ~ NL
>
>
>
> Jikan wrote:
> # Did anyone actually read Discord's privacy policy?
> # ⇒ https://discordapp.com/privacy
> # Sorry, but I can't support that.
> #
> # TL;DR: "Information we collect may include but not be limited to #
> username, email address, and any messages, images or other content you
> # send […] we receive and store certain information such as an IP
> address, # device ID, and your activities […] such information may be
> included in # databases owned and maintained by affiliates, agents or
> service # providers […] you may connect a social networking service
> ("SNS") such # as Facebook or Twitter to your Discord account. When
> you do this, it # allows us to obtain information from those accounts
> (for example, your # friends or contacts). […] we use Google Analytics
> […]  Mixpanel # Analytics […] Bugsnag […]" etc.
> #
> # Le 21/02/2017 à 00:08, Jonah Aragon a écrit :
> #> Want to maybe take an actual look at Matrix first?
> https://matrix.org/ #> #> Jonah #> #> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:05 PM
> Theo B <me AT theos.space> wrote:
> #>
> #>     I think we should stay (as Fusl said) to the open source things
> that #>     we have available right now, as those seem to be the ones
> that most #>     people are easily able to use. Those being IRC, the ML,
> and Mumble. #>
> #>     On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Jonah Aragon
> <jonaharagon AT gmail.com #>     <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com>> wrote: #>
> #>         In the approximately 10 seconds since I sent my last email,
> I've #>         had some time to think about Matrix and how well it might
> work #>         for us. I'm going to try setting up a Synapse server and
> see if #>         I can get an IRC integration working :)
> #>
> #>         Jonah
> #>
> #>         On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:08 PM mk <mk AT mkwia.com
> #>         <mailto:mk AT mkwia.com>> wrote:
> #>
> #>             I definitely think we should focus on one or two of these.
> #>             We have to
> #>             ask ourselves if things like slack and discord that do the
> #>             same thing
> #>             are necessarily crucial.
> #>
> #>
> #>             On 20/02/2017 21:49, Fusl Dash wrote:
> #>             > Let me just summarize what we have available now: #>
>         >
> #>             > - IRC
> #>
> https://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=%23opennic #>
>     > - Mailing List    http://wiki.opennicproject.org/MailingLists #>
>          > - Slack           http://slack.opennic.org/
> #>             > - Discord         https://discord.gg/bCKFkN3
> #>             > - Mumble          mumb.li:64738 <http://mumb.li:64738>
> #>             > - Internet forum  http://talk.geek/
> #>             >
> #>             > I probably miss something else but those are the OpenNIC
> #>             communities that I know of right now.
> #>             >
> #>             > Mailing list, Mumble and the internet forum are so far
> the #>             only things which are open source and self-hosted and
> #>             controlled by the OpenNIC community, the rest is either #>
>             closed source and/or not hosted by OpenNIC and should #>
>        therefore be avoided. We should stick to the things that we #>
>         self host, otherwise "alternative", "open", "democratic" and #>
>           the rest of our subtext on the website wouldn't make too #>
>         much sense.
> #>             >
> #>             > On 2017-02-18 21:49, lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com
> #>             <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com> wrote:
> #>             >> For people whom don't prefer IRC, for what ever reason,
> #>             nor forums, we have a
> #>             >> solution for you,
> #>             >>
> #>             >> Join the unofficial Discord at: discord.gg/bCKFkN3 #>
>           <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> today and receive,
> #>             >> - Real Time Chat
> #>             >> - Work Group Discussion
> #>             >> - Voice chat and more.
> #>             >>
> #>             >> Join Today at discord.gg/bCKFkN3
> <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>! #>             >>
> #>             >>
> #>             >>
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