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There is a forum: talk.geek

IRC has a lot of value for conversation, new users, and rapid pace.
I agree with you about the advantages of a forum - it's far better for
extended discussion and topic-based discussion.  But it's not going to
replace IRC, hopefully just steal all the hard discussion.

--Verax

JC wrote:
> if the point is openess, and traceable history.,. then why would a chat
> be better?    i mean its faster.. thats for sure.. but as one who only
> gets to catch up on the weekends.. i prefer the topic/discussion format
> of a forum.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com
> <mailto:danq AT runbox.com>> wrote:
> 
>     What do forums have to do with chat rooms? (I would prefer forums to
>     the mailing list though.)
> 
>     --
> 
>     -Dan Q
> 
> 
>     On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:09:43 -0500, JC <jc AT motorsports-x.com
>     <mailto:jc AT motorsports-x.com>> wrote:
> 
>     > I prefer forums to irc by far.  But that's just me.
>     >
>     > On Mar 13, 2017 15:02, "Joseph Marsden"
>     <josephmarsden AT towerdevs.xyz <mailto:josephmarsden AT towerdevs.xyz>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > > I would also have to agree with this, there is no reason for OpenNIC
>     > > conversations to be encrypted/secret, in fact they should be as
>     public as
>     > > possible for maximum transparency. Basically everything is
>     compatible with
>     > > IRC nowadays and there's no point moving to some closed source
>     third party
>     > > application.
>     > >
>     > > -----Original Message-----
>     > > From: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org
>     <mailto:discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org> [mailto:
>     > > discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org
>     <mailto:discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org>] On Behalf Of
>     Daniel Quintiliani
>     > > Sent: 13 March 2017 7:54 PM
>     > > To: discuss <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
>     <mailto:discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>>
>     > > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC Unofficial Discord.
>     > >
>     > > You can't honestly be serious about moving away from IRC and the
>     > > inconvenience it would cause to people? Is there any
>     justification for
>     > > leaving IRC? Freenode has SSL, we have no problems with spam,
>     there is no
>     > > reason for OpenNIC to do its business in secret, people will
>     have to leave
>     > > extra closed-source programs running at the same time, which
>     might not work
>     > > on Linux and for what? FOR WHAT?
>     > >
>     > > --
>     > >
>     > > -Dan Q
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:17:39 -0000, "Nadia Larsen"
>     <an0n1 AT riseup.net <mailto:an0n1 AT riseup.net>>
>     > > wrote:
>     > >
>     > > > 20 days later... but I must state that I applaud both Jikan &
>     Fusl for
>     > > > their philosophies regarding privacy & support of open source
>     software
>     > > > in their contained statements. I *was* going to suggest using
>     Telegram
>     > > > for its somewhat enhanced privacy & security, though 100% open
>     sourced
>     > > > it is not, nor is it actually known to be either private or
>     secure for
>     > > > its aforementioned lack of transparency. It's been 50% so -
>     > > > client-side code is, server side is not - since its inception,
>     so I'd
>     > > > say they've no plans at all on open sourcing the server side /
>     cloud
>     > > > based encryption proto, w/e it is. There is, however,
>     OpenWhisper's
>     > > > Signal protocol which is open source & is a relatively private &
>     > > > secure means of communication. It does not yet have a desktop
>     client;
>     > > > however, it does have browser usability. I recommend using it in
>     > > > conjuction with any Windows OS & its preinstalled browser. <-
>     > > > *KIDDING!* And moving on... Telegram does have a desktop
>     client, and a
>     > > > fairly reliable infrastructure for group chats. (Signal is also
>     > > > reliable, though its group chat implementation doesn't have
>     the added
>     > > > 'eye-candy' that some peeps are drawn to). If what we're going
>     for a
>     > > > is an open source, private, secure platform with self-hosting
>     > > > capabilities, I'd personally go with the Chat Secure platform,
>     use its
>     > > > highest level of encryption available, use OTR messaging over
>     > > > jabber.otr.im <http://jabber.otr.im>, duckgo.com
>     <http://duckgo.com>, or, if self-hosting, use e.g.
>     > > > OpenNICideas.o / .libre / .pirate / ...  and *do so over Tor's
>     > > > 'infrastructure'*. But I doubt the 'out-of-the-box, easy to
>     set up,
>     > > > really don't care about what's under the hood, only care about
>     looking
>     > > > at how pretty it is' peeps (if any exist that would even care
>     about
>     > > > joining said chat(s) exist @
>     > > > OpenNIC) would even bother to give it a look.
>     > > >
>     > > > Belatedly & with respect,
>     > > > ~ NL
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > >
>     > > > Jikan wrote:
>     > > > # Did anyone actually read Discord's privacy policy?
>     > > > # ⇒ https://discordapp.com/privacy
>     > > > # Sorry, but I can't support that.
>     > > > #
>     > > > # TL;DR: "Information we collect may include but not be
>     limited to #
>     > > > username, email address, and any messages, images or other
>     content you
>     > > > # send […] we receive and store certain information such as an IP
>     > > > address, # device ID, and your activities […] such information
>     may be
>     > > > included in # databases owned and maintained by affiliates,
>     agents or
>     > > > service # providers […] you may connect a social networking
>     service
>     > > > ("SNS") such # as Facebook or Twitter to your Discord account.
>     When
>     > > > you do this, it # allows us to obtain information from those
>     accounts
>     > > > (for example, your # friends or contacts). […] we use Google
>     Analytics
>     > > > […]  Mixpanel # Analytics […] Bugsnag […]" etc.
>     > > > #
>     > > > # Le 21/02/2017 à 00:08, Jonah Aragon a écrit :
>     > > > #> Want to maybe take an actual look at Matrix first?
>     > > > https://matrix.org/ #> #> Jonah #> #> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at
>     5:05 PM
>     > > > Theo B <me AT theos.space> wrote:
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>     I think we should stay (as Fusl said) to the open
>     source things
>     > > > that #>     we have available right now, as those seem to be
>     the ones
>     > > > that most #>     people are easily able to use. Those being
>     IRC, the ML,
>     > > > and Mumble. #>
>     > > > #>     On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Jonah Aragon
>     > > > <jonaharagon AT gmail.com <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com> #>   
>      <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com>>>
>     wrote: #>
>     > > > #>         In the approximately 10 seconds since I sent my
>     last email,
>     > > > I've #>         had some time to think about Matrix and how
>     well it might
>     > > > work #>         for us. I'm going to try setting up a Synapse
>     server and
>     > > > see if #>         I can get an IRC integration working :)
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>         Jonah
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>         On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:08 PM mk <mk AT mkwia.com
>     <mailto:mk AT mkwia.com>
>     > > > #>         <mailto:mk AT mkwia.com <mailto:mk AT mkwia.com>>> wrote:
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>             I definitely think we should focus on one or
>     two of these.
>     > > > #>             We have to
>     > > > #>             ask ourselves if things like slack and discord
>     that do the
>     > > > #>             same thing
>     > > > #>             are necessarily crucial.
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>
>     > > > #>             On 20/02/2017 21:49, Fusl Dash wrote:
>     > > > #>             > Let me just summarize what we have available
>     now: #>
>     > > >         >
>     > > > #>             > - IRC
>     > > > #>
>     > > > https://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=%23opennic
>     <https://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=%23opennic> #>
>     > > >     > - Mailing List   
>     http://wiki.opennicproject.org/MailingLists
>     <http://wiki.opennicproject.org/MailingLists> #>
>     > > >          > - Slack           http://slack.opennic.org/
>     > > > #>             > - Discord         https://discord.gg/bCKFkN3
>     > > > #>             > - Mumble          mumb.li:64738
>     <http://mumb.li:64738> <http://mumb.li:64738>
>     > > > #>             > - Internet forum  http://talk.geek/
>     > > > #>             >
>     > > > #>             > I probably miss something else but those are
>     the OpenNIC
>     > > > #>             communities that I know of right now.
>     > > > #>             >
>     > > > #>             > Mailing list, Mumble and the internet forum
>     are so far
>     > > > the #>             only things which are open source and
>     self-hosted and
>     > > > #>             controlled by the OpenNIC community, the rest
>     is either #>
>     > > >             closed source and/or not hosted by OpenNIC and
>     should #>
>     > > >        therefore be avoided. We should stick to the things
>     that we #>
>     > > >         self host, otherwise "alternative", "open",
>     "democratic" and #>
>     > > >           the rest of our subtext on the website wouldn't make
>     too #>
>     > > >         much sense.
>     > > > #>             >
>     > > > #>             > On 2017-02-18 21:49,
>     lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com>
>     > > > #>             <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com
>     <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > > > #>             >> For people whom don't prefer IRC, for what
>     ever reason,
>     > > > #>             nor forums, we have a
>     > > > #>             >> solution for you,
>     > > > #>             >>
>     > > > #>             >> Join the unofficial Discord at:
>     discord.gg/bCKFkN3 <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> #>
>     > > >           <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> today and receive,
>     > > > #>             >> - Real Time Chat
>     > > > #>             >> - Work Group Discussion
>     > > > #>             >> - Voice chat and more.
>     > > > #>             >>
>     > > > #>             >> Join Today at discord.gg/bCKFkN3
>     <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>
>     > > > <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>! #>             >>
>     > > > #>             >>
>     > > > #>             >>
>     > > > #>             >>
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