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[JC <jc AT motorsports-x.com>]

if the point is openess, and traceable history.,. then why would a chat be better?    i mean its faster.. thats for sure.. but as one who only gets to catch up on the weekends.. i prefer the topic/discussion format of a forum.

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

What do forums have to do with chat rooms? (I would prefer forums to the mailing list though.)

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-Dan Q

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:09:43 -0500, JC <jc AT motorsports-x.com> wrote:

> I prefer forums to irc by far.  But that's just me.
>
> On Mar 13, 2017 15:02, "Joseph Marsden" <josephmarsden AT towerdevs.xyz> wrote:
>
> > I would also have to agree with this, there is no reason for OpenNIC
> > conversations to be encrypted/secret, in fact they should be as public as
> > possible for maximum transparency. Basically everything is compatible with
> > IRC nowadays and there's no point moving to some closed source third party
> > application.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org [mailto:
> > discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Quintiliani
> > Sent: 13 March 2017 7:54 PM
> > To: discuss <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
> > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC Unofficial Discord.
> >
> > You can't honestly be serious about moving away from IRC and the
> > inconvenience it would cause to people? Is there any justification for
> > leaving IRC? Freenode has SSL, we have no problems with spam, there is no
> > reason for OpenNIC to do its business in secret, people will have to leave
> > extra closed-source programs running at the same time, which might not work
> > on Linux and for what? FOR WHAT?
> >
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> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 18:17:39 -0000, "Nadia Larsen" <an0n1 AT riseup.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 20 days later... but I must state that I applaud both Jikan & Fusl for
> > > their philosophies regarding privacy & support of open source software
> > > in their contained statements. I *was* going to suggest using Telegram
> > > for its somewhat enhanced privacy & security, though 100% open sourced
> > > it is not, nor is it actually known to be either private or secure for
> > > its aforementioned lack of transparency. It's been 50% so -
> > > client-side code is, server side is not - since its inception, so I'd
> > > say they've no plans at all on open sourcing the server side / cloud
> > > based encryption proto, w/e it is. There is, however, OpenWhisper's
> > > Signal protocol which is open source & is a relatively private &
> > > secure means of communication. It does not yet have a desktop client;
> > > however, it does have browser usability. I recommend using it in
> > > conjuction with any Windows OS & its preinstalled browser. <-
> > > *KIDDING!* And moving on... Telegram does have a desktop client, and a
> > > fairly reliable infrastructure for group chats. (Signal is also
> > > reliable, though its group chat implementation doesn't have the added
> > > 'eye-candy' that some peeps are drawn to). If what we're going for a
> > > is an open source, private, secure platform with self-hosting
> > > capabilities, I'd personally go with the Chat Secure platform, use its
> > > highest level of encryption available, use OTR messaging over
> > > jabber.otr.im, duckgo.com, or, if self-hosting, use e.g.
> > > OpenNICideas.o / .libre / .pirate / ...  and *do so over Tor's
> > > 'infrastructure'*. But I doubt the 'out-of-the-box, easy to set up,
> > > really don't care about what's under the hood, only care about looking
> > > at how pretty it is' peeps (if any exist that would even care about
> > > joining said chat(s) exist @
> > > OpenNIC) would even bother to give it a look.
> > >
> > > Belatedly & with respect,
> > > ~ NL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jikan wrote:
> > > # Did anyone actually read Discord's privacy policy?
> > > # ⇒ https://discordapp.com/privacy
> > > # Sorry, but I can't support that.
> > > #
> > > # TL;DR: "Information we collect may include but not be limited to #
> > > username, email address, and any messages, images or other content you
> > > # send […] we receive and store certain information such as an IP
> > > address, # device ID, and your activities […] such information may be
> > > included in # databases owned and maintained by affiliates, agents or
> > > service # providers […] you may connect a social networking service
> > > ("SNS") such # as Facebook or Twitter to your Discord account. When
> > > you do this, it # allows us to obtain information from those accounts
> > > (for example, your # friends or contacts). […] we use Google Analytics
> > > […]  Mixpanel # Analytics […] Bugsnag […]" etc.
> > > #
> > > # Le 21/02/2017 à 00:08, Jonah Aragon a écrit :
> > > #> Want to maybe take an actual look at Matrix first?
> > > https://matrix.org/ #> #> Jonah #> #> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:05 PM
> > > Theo B <me AT theos.space> wrote:
> > > #>
> > > #>     I think we should stay (as Fusl said) to the open source things
> > > that #>     we have available right now, as those seem to be the ones
> > > that most #>     people are easily able to use. Those being IRC, the ML,
> > > and Mumble. #>
> > > #>     On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Jonah Aragon
> > > <jonaharagon AT gmail.com #>     <mailto:jonaharagon AT gmail.com>> wrote: #>
> > > #>         In the approximately 10 seconds since I sent my last email,
> > > I've #>         had some time to think about Matrix and how well it might
> > > work #>         for us. I'm going to try setting up a Synapse server and
> > > see if #>         I can get an IRC integration working :)
> > > #>
> > > #>         Jonah
> > > #>
> > > #>         On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:08 PM mk <mk AT mkwia.com
> > > #>         <mailto:mk AT mkwia.com>> wrote:
> > > #>
> > > #>             I definitely think we should focus on one or two of these.
> > > #>             We have to
> > > #>             ask ourselves if things like slack and discord that do the
> > > #>             same thing
> > > #>             are necessarily crucial.
> > > #>
> > > #>
> > > #>             On 20/02/2017 21:49, Fusl Dash wrote:
> > > #>             > Let me just summarize what we have available now: #>
> > >         >
> > > #>             > - IRC
> > > #>
> > > https://webchat.freenode.net/?randomnick=1&channels=%23opennic #>
> > >     > - Mailing List    http://wiki.opennicproject.org/MailingLists #>
> > >          > - Slack           http://slack.opennic.org/
> > > #>             > - Discord         https://discord.gg/bCKFkN3
> > > #>             > - Mumble          mumb.li:64738 <http://mumb.li:64738>
> > > #>             > - Internet forum  http://talk.geek/
> > > #>             >
> > > #>             > I probably miss something else but those are the OpenNIC
> > > #>             communities that I know of right now.
> > > #>             >
> > > #>             > Mailing list, Mumble and the internet forum are so far
> > > the #>             only things which are open source and self-hosted and
> > > #>             controlled by the OpenNIC community, the rest is either #>
> > >             closed source and/or not hosted by OpenNIC and should #>
> > >        therefore be avoided. We should stick to the things that we #>
> > >         self host, otherwise "alternative", "open", "democratic" and #>
> > >           the rest of our subtext on the website wouldn't make too #>
> > >         much sense.
> > > #>             >
> > > #>             > On 2017-02-18 21:49, lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com
> > > #>             <mailto:lorenzoiannuzzi AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > > #>             >> For people whom don't prefer IRC, for what ever reason,
> > > #>             nor forums, we have a
> > > #>             >> solution for you,
> > > #>             >>
> > > #>             >> Join the unofficial Discord at: discord.gg/bCKFkN3 #>
> > >           <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3> today and receive,
> > > #>             >> - Real Time Chat
> > > #>             >> - Work Group Discussion
> > > #>             >> - Voice chat and more.
> > > #>             >>
> > > #>             >> Join Today at discord.gg/bCKFkN3
> > > <http://discord.gg/bCKFkN3>! #>             >>
> > > #>             >>
> > > #>             >>
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