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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

From the Web site:

"Looking for an open and democratic alternative DNS root? Concerned about 
censorship?
OpenNIC might be the solution for you!

DNS Neutrality

No corporation should be able to say what websites are or aren’t available to 
us. By using our volunteer-provided DNS servers you no longer have to 
question your ISPs motives, and can rest assured that your connection to the 
Internet is not being censored by your DNS servers."

If this is our charter, there is no justification whatsoever to privately 
seize non-peered domain names without a warrant by a court of law. We will 
not seize .indy domains because the government of Turkey sent us a nasty 
letter or Donald Trump complaint that we were "hosting" "fake news" on the 
non-"darknet." We will not seize .pirate domains because the MPAA doesn't 
approve of "kodi" in the name. We will not seize .libre domains at the 
request of a media campaign against a neo-Nazi group trying to find refuge. 
We will not require query logging in every country at the request of the 
NSA/GHCQ or marketing firms. This is contrary to the purpose of OpenNIC and 
we will be no better than ICANN and our ISPs, and our entire website will 
have to be re-written with a new mission statement.

Again, from the Web site:

"Looking for an open and democratic alternative DNS root? Concerned about 
censorship?
OpenNIC might be the solution for you!

DNS Neutrality

No corporation should be able to say what websites are or aren’t available to 
us. By using our volunteer-provided DNS servers you no longer have to 
question your ISPs motives, and can rest assured that your connection to the 
Internet is not being censored by your DNS servers."

--

-Dan Q


On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 14:29:53 -0500, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:

> You’re confusing can’t and won’t. We can enforce any policies we choose, 
> we’re an independent organization and we’re fully capable of enforcing our 
> bylaws. Whether we would or not is a different matter. 
> 
> I think I’d side more towards Jeff on this topic however. Our members 
> should have an expectation of safety on the network. Content blocking is 
> one thing, but preventing malware and actual entities that are making 
> malicious efforts to harm people’s computers is different. The right to 
> free speech can only go so far, we aren’t being forced to enable C&C 
> centers or other nefarious domains. 
> 
> Jonah
> 
> > On Nov 3, 2017, at 14:20, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > +1. What's next, mandatory logging of all servers for the NSA?
> > 
> > Also, I will repeat my last message:
> > 
> > We can't force domains we peer with internationally to not host malware 
> > or comply with our definition of "legal" - this is the hosting provider's 
> > job.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > 
> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:24:25 +0100, Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I don't think we should make too many limiting rules. For one, if (when)
> >> OpenNIC grows it'll be impossible to realistically check domains for
> >> legality or even malware and such. And when we do it only when requested
> >> to take down the content, is it really fair? And who gets to decide if
> >> the rules are truly broken? I don't think T2 (or even T1) server owners
> >> should be pressured to do any blocking. If they want to do so, and
> >> disclose it then sure. Especially if it's to follow the laws of their
> >> respective countries or to protect OpenNIC infrastructure. But force
> >> them to do so? Not really. (Just a sidenote: I thought one goals of
> >> OpenNIC was openness, privacy and no censorship - if we don't uphold
> >> these values are we better than ICANN and why do we really exist?)
> > 
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