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On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:22:39 +0100
"Jack Ternan" <jackist AT email.com> wrote:

> Is there a registered membership?
>  
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 at 4:40 PM
> From: vv AT cgs.pw
> To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] [RESULTS] Allow libre
> material on/libre use of .libre I'm not overly concerned
> about this, however, we _do_ have a registered membership
> so we actually are an unincorporated association.
> 
> ~ Ole
> 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 12:38:24 +0100
> Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net> wrote:
> 
> > Exactly. OpenNic can't even really receive any kind of
> > legal letter, because it legally *doesn't exist*. That
> > may or may not be a good thing, but "at worst" we would
> > be responsible all just as individuals under our
> > respective legal systems and jurisdictions.  I feel like
> > the part where we worry about getting letters from
> > government(s) or courts is somewhat irrelevant here.
> >
> > Amunak
> >
> >
> > On 05.11.2017 22:01, Jack Ternan wrote:
> > > I am making a very important legal distinction.  For
> > > unincorporated associations, each member is liable for
> > > the acts of the other members or the group as a whole.
> > > We are not such an organization.
> > > *Sent:* Friday, November 03, 2017 at 1:56 PM
> > > *From:* "Jonah Aragon" <jonah AT triplebit.net>
> > > *To:* discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: [opennic-discuss] [RESULTS] Allow libre
> > > material on/libre use of .libre
> > > You just defined an organization
> > > — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization
> > >  
> > > You’re probably mistaking it with an incorporation or
> > > some kind of legal entity, which we clearly aren’t.
> > > But it’s safe to say we’re an organization, with a
> > > community of members and agreed upon policies. There’s
> > > clearly some management in place here.
> > > Jonah
> > >
> > > On Nov 3, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Jack Ternan
> > > <jackist AT email.com <mailto:jackist AT email.com>> wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > > I want to chime in and point out that OpenNIC is
> > > not an organization.  It's just a collection of
> > > individuals.
> > > *Sent:* Friday, November 03, 2017 at 2:29 PM
> > > *From:* "Jonah Aragon" <jonah AT triplebit.net
> > > <mailto:jonah AT triplebit.net>>
> > > *To:* discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > <mailto:discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
> > > *Subject:* Re: [opennic-discuss] [RESULTS] Allow
> > > libre material on/libre use of .libre
> > > You’re confusing can’t and won’t. We can enforce
> > > any policies we choose, we’re an independent
> > > organization and we’re fully capable of enforcing our
> > > bylaws. Whether we would or not is a different matter.
> > >
> > > I think I’d side more towards Jeff on this topic
> > > however. Our members should have an expectation of
> > > safety on the network. Content blocking is one thing,
> > > but preventing malware and actual entities that are
> > > making malicious efforts to harm people’s computers is
> > > different. The right to free speech can only go so
> > > far, we aren’t being forced to enable C&C centers or
> > > other nefarious domains.
> > >
> > > Jonah
> > >
> > > > On Nov 3, 2017, at 14:20, Daniel Quintiliani
> > > > <danq AT runbox.com
> > > <mailto:danq AT runbox.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1. What's next, mandatory logging of all servers
> > > > for the NSA?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I will repeat my last message:
> > > >
> > > > We can't force domains we peer with
> > > > internationally to not host
> > > malware or comply with our definition of "legal" -
> > > this is the hosting provider's job.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 01:24:25 +0100, Amunak
> > > >> <amunak AT amunak.net
> > > <mailto:amunak AT amunak.net>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think we should make too many limiting
> > > >> rules. For one,
> > > if (when)
> > > >> OpenNIC grows it'll be impossible to
> > > >> realistically check
> > > domains for
> > > >> legality or even malware and such. And when we
> > > >> do it only when
> > > requested
> > > >> to take down the content, is it really fair? And
> > > >> who gets to
> > > decide if
> > > >> the rules are truly broken? I don't think T2 (or
> > > >> even T1)
> > > server owners
> > > >> should be pressured to do any blocking. If they
> > > >> want to do so, and disclose it then sure.
> > > >> Especially if it's to follow the laws of
> > > their
> > > >> respective countries or to protect OpenNIC
> > > >> infrastructure. But
> > > force
> > > >> them to do so? Not really. (Just a sidenote: I
> > > >> thought one goals of OpenNIC was openness,
> > > >> privacy and no censorship - if we don't
> > > uphold
> > > >> these values are we better than ICANN and why do
> > > >> we really exist?)
> > > >
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