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Hi Wil,
It's not that I really disagree with you, but
I don't understand what you're saying, especially
in the context of this thread. The typos don't
help the clarity either. :) Perhaps you could
rephrase for clarity.

~ Ole



On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:30:30 +0200
Wil <wil AT lesspheres.fr> wrote:

> I’ll try to be short on this.. 
> 
> But i think coinhive is not just malware or
> cryptojacking.. 
> 
> Sure, it was and still will be miused as it seems quite
> easy to do so. There 30% fees should not be forgotten. 
> Just my point of view, but the plateform also try to
> avoid non user approbation to mine Monero. 
> 
> Maybe, just maybe, it could be a solution to also avoid
> Google Adsense and other ads plateforms on some website
> with enough trafic. 
> 
> But i might also be completly wrong about this. 
> 
> Anyway, i had not try it ( yet ? ), and don’t have any
> real return, but i also don’t want to fall in the easy
> caricature where minig egal malware. 
> 
> Not in a world where users metadata for selling ads is
> the gold of tech companies (which do not have to be big,
> by the way). 
> 
> Wil. 
> 
> Le 16 avr. 2018 à 17:40, Jonah Aragon
> <jonah AT triplebit.net> a écrit :
> 
> Why exactly are you wishing to access a site that
> literally serves malware to unsuspecting users? Not sure
> what the purpose of that would be. 
> 
> Jonah
> 
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:15 AM Wil <wil AT lesspheres.fr>
> > wrote: I noticed the ads lists include conhive.com.
> > 
> > $ dig +short coinhive.com @167.99.153.82
> > 167.99.153.82
> > 
> > Don’t want to enter in a long argue/discussion here,
> > but I think it’s too bad… 
> > 
> > Wil.
> > 
> > Moment léger au hasard : 
> > « Une banque est un endroit où ils nous prêtent un
> > parapluie quand il fait beau et qui nous le reprennent
> > quand il pleut. » Robert Frost 
> >> Le 16 avr. 2018 à 04:34, Jacob Bachmeyer
> >> <jcb62281 AT gmail.com> a écrit :
> >> 
> >> Jonah Aragon wrote:
> >> This is a good point, and I was thinking about this
> >> myself. I’m not actually sure how those
> >> anti-adblocking sites detect adblocking in the first
> >> place. I haven’t run into this issue yet, but if
> >> anybody does feel free to send me an email with a link
> >> and I’ll see if there’s anything I can do about it.  
> > 
> > They all ultimately rely on JavaScript.  Block
> > JavaScript with NoScript or similar and not only are
> > you protected from most (all?) browser exploits, but
> > most ads also disappear.
> > 
> > Server-side anti-ad-block *might* be possible, but
> > browser extensions can defeat it easily by requesting
> > the ad resource and simply not displaying the ad. 
> >> Other than that I don’t think there’s any
> >> disadvantages, and it’s  probably better than browser
> >> extensions from a privacy perspective since nothing
> >> gets resolved or downloaded in the first place.  
> > 
> > Browser extensions, assuming they implement full
> > blocking, prevent even a DNS query.  DNS blocking only
> > prevents the connection to the ad server. 
> >> This is incredibly easy to implement. I doubt we’ll
> >> block them by default at the Tier 1 level because it
> >> goes against some of our core values of
> >> anti-censorship in a way, but it’d be easy for others
> >> to setup Tier 2s in a similar manner.  
> > 
> > I entirely agree with this.  Also, the problem with
> > letting "a little bit of censorship for a worthy cause"
> > is policing the censors to guard against scope creep
> > and lazy filter list maintenance.  I remember back in
> > school where the site that distributed the Windows port
> > of cdrtools was blocked under the category "Illegal
> > Drugs".  There was nothing of the sort on that site
> > anywhere.
> > 
> > 
> > -- Jacob
> > 
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