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Thanks Wil,

I think I got it. Of course I had no idea about
coinhive.com and what it did since there is an
almost negligible chance that any particular
person has gone there and found out about it.

I just went there to see, and it does look like
a reasonable idea and certainly shouldn't be
dismissed out of hand. Calling it malware without
further investigation doesn't seem right.

As to whether the site also serves malware I have
no idea, and frankly don't pay much attention to
that sort of thing. I'll not be using blacklists
any time soon. Fortunately, OpenNIC is all about
choice. In my opinion, as long as the DNS server
offering is marked, then there really isn't any
issue here.

Cheers,
       Ole

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:48:44 +0200
Wil <wil AT lesspheres.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Sorry @Ole, had a rough day yesterday.
> 
> I was actually try to answer @Jonah's interrogation about
> coinhive.com <http://coinhive.com/> delivering malware
> and being in the ads block lists.
> 
> I don’t want to pollute this thread in anyway.
> But I just would like denote that, in my point of view,
> mining Monero (via conhive.com) is not just malware. It
> might also be an alternative to ads in general.
> 
> We maybe should discuss and/or try this (with or without
> conhive.com). But again, mining cryptocurrency via web
> browsers doesn’t necessarily mean delivering a malware. 
> 
> Sorry again for the confusion.
> 
> Wil.
> 
> Moment léger au hasard : 
> L'alcool tue mais combien sont nés grâce à lui ?
> 
> Le 17 avr. 2018 à 01:55, <vv AT cgs.pw> <vv AT cgs.pw> a écrit :
> 
> Hi Wil,
> It's not that I really disagree with you, but
> I don't understand what you're saying, especially
> in the context of this thread. The typos don't
> help the clarity either. :) Perhaps you could
> rephrase for clarity.
> 
> ~ Ole
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 23:30:30 +0200
> Wil <wil AT lesspheres.fr> wrote:
> 
> > I’ll try to be short on this.. 
> > 
> > But i think coinhive is not just malware or
> > cryptojacking.. 
> > 
> > Sure, it was and still will be miused as it seems quite
> > easy to do so. There 30% fees should not be forgotten. 
> > Just my point of view, but the plateform also try to
> > avoid non user approbation to mine Monero. 
> > 
> > Maybe, just maybe, it could be a solution to also avoid
> > Google Adsense and other ads plateforms on some website
> > with enough trafic. 
> > 
> > But i might also be completly wrong about this. 
> > 
> > Anyway, i had not try it ( yet ? ), and don’t have any
> > real return, but i also don’t want to fall in the easy
> > caricature where minig egal malware. 
> > 
> > Not in a world where users metadata for selling ads is
> > the gold of tech companies (which do not have to be big,
> > by the way). 
> > 
> > Wil. 
> > 
> > Le 16 avr. 2018 à 17:40, Jonah Aragon
> > <jonah AT triplebit.net> a écrit :
> > 
> > Why exactly are you wishing to access a site that
> > literally serves malware to unsuspecting users? Not sure
> > what the purpose of that would be. 
> > 
> > Jonah
> >   
> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 2:15 AM Wil <wil AT lesspheres.fr>
> >> wrote: I noticed the ads lists include conhive.com.
> >> 
> >> $ dig +short coinhive.com @167.99.153.82
> >> 167.99.153.82
> >> 
> >> Don’t want to enter in a long argue/discussion here,
> >> but I think it’s too bad… 
> >> 
> >> Wil.
> >> 
> >> Moment léger au hasard : 
> >> « Une banque est un endroit où ils nous prêtent un
> >> parapluie quand il fait beau et qui nous le reprennent
> >> quand il pleut. » Robert Frost   
> >>> Le 16 avr. 2018 à 04:34, Jacob Bachmeyer
> >>> <jcb62281 AT gmail.com> a écrit :
> >>> 
> >>> Jonah Aragon wrote:
> >>> This is a good point, and I was thinking about this
> >>> myself. I’m not actually sure how those
> >>> anti-adblocking sites detect adblocking in the first
> >>> place. I haven’t run into this issue yet, but if
> >>> anybody does feel free to send me an email with a link
> >>> and I’ll see if there’s anything I can do about
> >>> it.    
> >> 
> >> They all ultimately rely on JavaScript.  Block
> >> JavaScript with NoScript or similar and not only are
> >> you protected from most (all?) browser exploits, but
> >> most ads also disappear.
> >> 
> >> Server-side anti-ad-block *might* be possible, but
> >> browser extensions can defeat it easily by requesting
> >> the ad resource and simply not displaying the ad.   
> >>> Other than that I don’t think there’s any
> >>> disadvantages, and it’s  probably better than browser
> >>> extensions from a privacy perspective since nothing
> >>> gets resolved or downloaded in the first place.    
> >> 
> >> Browser extensions, assuming they implement full
> >> blocking, prevent even a DNS query.  DNS blocking only
> >> prevents the connection to the ad server.   
> >>> This is incredibly easy to implement. I doubt we’ll
> >>> block them by default at the Tier 1 level because it
> >>> goes against some of our core values of
> >>> anti-censorship in a way, but it’d be easy for others
> >>> to setup Tier 2s in a similar manner.    
> >> 
> >> I entirely agree with this.  Also, the problem with
> >> letting "a little bit of censorship for a worthy cause"
> >> is policing the censors to guard against scope creep
> >> and lazy filter list maintenance.  I remember back in
> >> school where the site that distributed the Windows port
> >> of cdrtools was blocked under the category "Illegal
> >> Drugs".  There was nothing of the sort on that site
> >> anywhere.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- Jacob
> >> 
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