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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

Just because I used the word "write-in" instead of "invalid" by accident 
means the vote doesn't count?

--

-Dan Q


On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:35:22 +0100, Sebastian Makowiecki <soocki AT mailbox.org> 
wrote:

> I also think it is unacceptable not to count the invalid votes. I find the 
> current discussion disgusting and unnecessary, after all it is so easy to 
> count and include invalid votes, unless of course one is unwilling to do so 
> as a direct result of one's ill will and some kind of strange act of 
> stubbornness.
> 
> I also find voting on invalidating previous votes very strange procedure 
> that should only be used in extreme and special cases, circumstantial, 
> never to be overused.
> 
> I sort of gave up on the idea that certain individuals involved in the 
> matter will ever change their attitude, because it's nothing more than 
> that, an attitude issue. There is no real issue here, after all the rules 
> of voting are extremely straightforward, but this relies heavily on the 
> fact one WANTS to understand and participate and don't insists otherwise.
> 
> But you are right Philipp, the cause is worth fighting for.
> 
> The accusations of 'trolling', abuses and advising someone to 'just go 
> away' are troublesome at best, much worse at the worst, nevertheless are 
> also a symptom of much deeper underlying problem.
> 
> The constant and unnecessary influx of clutter into my inbox containing 
> nothing but personal issues of some distant individual is only annoying at 
> best, something else at the worst, but certainly attention and time 
> consuming. Harsh but true.
> 
> I said plenty times: 'stop this nonsense' and I am willing to say it one 
> more time, for the sake of democracy.
> 
> Just chill, take a deep breath, everything is going to be just fine.
> 
> ~ 
> Sebastian Makowiecki
> 
> On 16 August 2018 08:00:38 GMT+01:00, Philipp Schafft 
> <lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> >Good morning,
> >
> >On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 02:44 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >> What the hell do you want of me? Everything is listed and counted,
> >and
> >> displayed below. I have never heard of an "invalid" vote which was
> >not
> >> a "write in".
> >
> >What does you make sure that things you haven't heard about don't
> >exist?
> >
> >
> >> I counted every vote, yours listed and spelled out entirely,
> >
> >I'm very happy and grateful that you quoted it. Something you don't
> >have
> >to do.
> >
> >Yet you quoted my *vote* under "Write-ins".
> >
> >
> >> and per the procedures we approved the voting started at 8/9/2018
> >0030
> >> UTC and ended at 8/16/2018 0030 UTC, both of which were clearly
> >listed
> >> in the proposal, and no votes were cast outside that period
> >> regardless.
> >
> >I just gave another example of how do do incorrectly. one that was
> >purly
> >to illustrate my comment.
> >
> >
> >> If you think breaking the rules we established is "rigging" then you
> >> clearly have a problem with OpenNIC, not me. How can I get you off my
> >> ass?
> >
> >I have both a personal problem as well as a problem in my role(s) with
> >who tries to remove democracy from OpenNIC.
> >
> >You have broken the rules several times and have been told so. What is
> >the result? You try to find new creative ways not not stick to the
> >rules
> >but work around. "Write-in" is just a new way of not accepting our
> >votes. Why not just accept votes as they are? It's not your part to
> >interpret those or to re-categorized them. They are votes, thats it.
> >period.
> >
> >I also must say that I feel personally offended by your language. Words
> >like "trolling" and "ass" are clearly not words of someone who leads a
> >democratic group such as OpenNIC by providing input in form of
> >proposals
> >to correct it's direction.
> >
> >
> >> What do you want?
> >
> >I want OpenNIC to not demolish it's pillars and legitimacy. And I fight
> >for it. I do this by protesting and by offering help, explaining the
> >situation, and talking to people.
> >
> >I spend my spare time, which I have not much of, to try to make OpenNIC
> >not forgot what it is and what it stands for.
> >
> >Why not join me? All of you! Why not stand by what OpenNIC was founded
> >on, what OpenNIC fought for, what made OpenNIC a respectable project
> >and
> >a part of world's democratic landscape?
> >
> >The grass my not be greener here, but it tastes better.
> >
> >Let's not decay OpenNIC.
> >
> >With best regards,
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> 
> >> -Dan Q
> >> 
> >> On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:06:13 +0000, Philipp Schafft
> ><lion AT lion.leolix.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Good morning,
> >> > 
> >> > On Wed, 2018-08-15 at 20:35 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> >> > > Apologies, Niles' vote got detached from the thread because he at
> >first sent it to me directly by accident. The result is the same.
> >> > > 
> >> > > Yes:
> >> > >  
> >> > > Daniel Quintiliani
> >> > >  
> >> > > No:
> >> > >  
> >> > > Amunak
> >> > > Megan Parat
> >> > > Dennis Emory Hannon
> >> > > Verax
> >> > > Niles Rogoff
> >> > > 
> >> > > Write-ins:
> >> > >  
> >> > > Philipp Schafft: "Wer von seinen Ängsten geleitet wird, wird die
> >Schönheit des
> >> > > Tages nicht erkennen."
> >> > >  
> >> > > kevin: "Ki a félelmei irányítják, nem ismerik fel a nap
> >> > > szépségét."
> >> > > 
> >> > > Yes: 1
> >> > > No: 5
> >> > > Write in "Wer...": 1
> >> > > Write in "Ki...": 1
> >> > > 
> >> > > This proposal failed to pass with 1-5.
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > > All write-ins have been listed in this post, so no need to troll.
> >> > 
> >> > Then why do you troll by not counting votes?
> >> > 
> >> > I have not submitted a write-in, I have voted invalid as made
> >clearly by
> >> > me writing "My vote is:".
> >> > 
> >> > What is your problem with just counting votes as they are?
> >> > 
> >> > Not counting votes you don't like is not the way voting works. Why
> >not
> >> > also just not count "no"-votes? Or votes made between 07:03 UTC and
> >> > 14:23 UTC?
> >> > 
> >> > Voting means to count *all* votes.
> >> > 
> >> > With people having told you this before I hardly see any other way
> >than
> >> > calling this active vote rigging by you. Something that, in a real
> >> > democracy, would invalidate the voting entirely.
> >> > 
> >> > Sadly OpenNIC seems to not stand for democracy as it used to
> >before. It
> >> > used to be one of the main pillars of OpenNIC and was often
> >referred to
> >> > as what gives OpenNIC it's legitimation over e.g. ICANN. If this
> >pillar
> >> > is destroyed I see the value of OpenNIC itself being destroyed and
> >it's
> >> > legitimation to exist with it.
> >> > 
> >> > With best regards,
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > > 
> >> > > --
> >> > > 
> >> > > -Dan Q
> >> > > 
> >> > > 
> >> > > On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:30:37 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani"
> ><danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >> > > 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 20:28:01 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani"
> ><danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > > Voting starts: 8/9/2018 0030 UTC
> >> > > > > Voting ends: 8/16/2018 0030 UTC
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > > OpenNIC proposals shall not contain, in full or in part,
> >language which:
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > > * Praises an OpenNIC member on basis of their character or
> >actions,
> >> > > > > * Condemns an OpenNIC member on basis of their character or
> >actions,
> >> > > > > * Makes allegations of unethical or illegal activity by an
> >OpenNIC member, unless confirmed by a court of law, and/or
> >> > > > > * Criticizes or comments on a proposal or vote, past or
> >present, whether passed or failed, in which an OpenNIC member is
> >criticized on basis of their character or actions.
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > > The proposal shall take effect immediately after passing.
> >> > > > > 
> >> > > > > These rules are only applicable to proposals put up for vote,
> >not to mailing list or IRC discussion.
> >> > 
> >> > -- 
> >> > Philipp.
> >> >  (Rah of PH2)
> >> > 
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> >Philipp.
> > (Rah of PH2)
> 
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