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  • From: Christopher <weblionx AT gmail.com>
  • To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
  • Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] I love how Brian says "OpenNIC activities" like there's something questionable about it
  • Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 15:22:14 -0400

> and that is highly useful to me in terms of strategy and possible attack
> vectors, if push came to shove.

You're not seriously suggesting that companies would purposefully
disconnect OpenNIC servers to avoid competition and that if such thing
even did happen you would try to attack private and national
infrastructure?

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Alex M (Coyo) <coyo AT darkdna.net> wrote:
> On 03/16/2013 01:10 PM, Alex M (Coyo) wrote:
>>
>> If we constructed our own ISP and eventually achieved teir 2 status, owned
>> and/or hosted our own datacenters, and had one or more residential and
>> business broadband divisions, then the "big boys" as Brian put it would be
>> forced to peer with us, or be held legally accountable for disrupting
>> critical infrastructure and threatening national security.
>
> Despite managing to misspell tier, I actually do know what I'm talking
> about, to a large extent, when it comes to carrier-grade networking.
>
> Many of my friends are senior network engineers or senior datacenter server
> admins, and I am constantly conversing with them about real-world
> implementation and operational details.
>
> A friend of mine, who will remain unnamed, because he does love his job, but
> he does, in fact, work as a senior network engineer for Verizon, and does a
> whole hell of a lot more than he's technically paid to do. As a result, he
> has no compunction about filling me in on internal operational and
> deployment details his company would feel comfortable with being disclosed.
>
> It is highly instructional.
>
> Another one of my better/best friends is a senior server administrator for
> Softlayer, and is also severely underpaid and unappreciated, and though he's
> a lot more respectful of corporate privacy, the fact that the federal
> agencies regularly visit to conduct questionable domestic espionage on
> American citizens on American soil probably is a factor there.
>
> However, he does disclose some very instructional details in datacenter
> policies and conduct, operation and deployment, and that is highly useful to
> me in terms of strategy and possible attack vectors, if push came to shove.
>
> It turns out the "critical infrastructure" that factors into national
> security is held together with gum and shoestrings. The feds have every
> reason to worry. It would not take more than an incidental gust of wind to
> destroy the house of cards that comprises the foundation of the entire
> American economy, financial networks, manufacturing and industrial
> communications, including military and intelligence communications. As you
> probably already know, nearly everything relies on computers, and by
> extension, the Internet. Even military networks are either tunneled over
> existing MPLS networks, or use common infrastructure side-by-side with
> civilian communications networks.
>
> Obviously, through such things as Signaling System 7, carrier grade SIP, and
> other such systems, all "hardline" PSTN telephony also relies on common
> communications infrastructure, all of which is ridiculously delicate,
> insecure, and extremely and perversely easy to undermine and collapse.
>
> It's pretty pathetic, really.
>
> That said, to the extent that the "big boys," as Brian put it, do conduct
> the operation of their networks, it is very educational to learn of their
> deployment details and counter-attack response tactics.
>
> It is very helpful strategic information when deploying my own carrier
> network, especially when it comes to peering at Internet Exchange Points,
> which turn out to not be distinct buildings, as I was led to believe, but
> are actually MPLS switching fabrics within existing datacenters, which makes
> purchasing dark fiber already buried to such locations a lot more affordable
> and practical.
>
> It is entirely possible to construct, deploy, operate, and fund a regional
> 10-gigabit active Ethernet fiber-to-the-premises broadband network that
> would blow anything that could possibly exist clean out of the water. It is
> entirely possible. All I need to do is hire a few freelance ghostwriters,
> editors, illustrators, etc. to assist me in writing a comprehensive and
> impressive business proposal to submit to the largest investor bank that
> exists and get a business loan sufficient to construct such a network.
>
> I am highly confident that such a venture would not only be financially
> viable, but extremely successful, as well as essential for the continued
> relevance of American domestic enterprises in international commerce and
> trade, as well as American military supremacy.
>
> It is not as though I'm a huge American patriot, but I am perfectly willing
> to design my network to defend domestic interests if it would mean I could
> qualify for state and federal grants to assist in funding such a venture.
>
>
>
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