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Rouben,
It was me that mentioned the ML/Forum cross.
I have such a bad memory that I can't remember
the name of the software. I did try it though
and it seemed rather nice - and I'm a hard one
to convince. Others may be more discerning about
other aspects and have real concerns. In any
case, I was Jonah that suggested it and also
set up a test site. The title of the thread
included the name of the software.

Well whatayaknow. :) After writing that my
memory got jogged and the thread is called
Subject: [opennic-discuss] Discourse Testing Instance

So that was it - Discourse.

~ Ole



On Mon, 01 Jan 2018 08:08:34 +0000
Rouben <rouben AT rouben.net> wrote:

> People rarely change... to win them over you either have
> to cater to what they’re used to and are comfortable
> using, or devise something so useful and intuitive that
> people will switch to it without much thought. Generally
> speaking the former is a lot easier to achieve than the
> latter, since the former only requires a lot of effort
> (e.g. building a two-way gateway between web forum and
> ML), whereas the latter requires a Steve Jobs mind as
> well as lots of effort.
> 
> Someone earlier mentioned that a mailing list to forum
> interface was attempted in the past and was a disaster...
> I wonder why?
> 
> Incidentally I saw a one-way forum to ML plugin for phpBB
> (forum posts auto-posted to ML), but not many attempts
> are true 2-way integration, where ML-only users can also
> transparently participate with forum users and vice
> versa. In fact ideally it shouldn’t really matter how you
> choose to participate and you should even be able to
> alternate between the forum and the ML.
> 
> This may sound easy at first, but don’t be fooled: the
> threading in MLs needs to work (next/prev message IDs?)
> as well as subject line tagging needs to be consisent.
> Otherwise I would imagine anyone using any kind of email
> filtering for this list to manage conversation threads
> will be very unhappy.
> 
> I’ll try and dig up history on this tomorrow to see what
> was missing, unless someone else with more organizational
> memory than me cares to point out the relevant
> discussions of a previous failure(s) in the ML. Maybe
> throw up a wiki page on what’s needed, what was
> attempted, and where the pitfalls were.
> 
> Rouben
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 02:16 <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> 
> > Yes it's a dead forum. That is why the
> > moderators also stopped going there. This
> > is my point. People simply are not willing
> > to change, even though some of us make an
> > effort. Such as we did with that forum.
> > After putting in a good effort for a period
> > of time, we just gave up.
> >
> > However, I'm not talking to you when I say that
> > people need to actually make an effort when
> > it comes to starting a new communications channel
> > of some kind.
> >
> > Everyone needs to understand that it is like
> > a party. One really does need to keep the
> > conversation going. It's not enough to just sit
> > there. At some point, a reasonable person just
> > gets up and leaves if, after a while, they find
> > that they are only one talking and everyone else
> > just sits there and stares.
> >
> > ~ Ole
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 09:13:53 +0300
> > "Dmitry S. Nikolaev" <dn AT mega-net.ru> wrote:
> >  
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > It`s dead forum.
> > >
> > > I registered on this forum since I joined OpenNic in
> > > august. I`ve posted there and noone from moderators
> > > approved the post.
> > >
> > > Just use this links:
> > > - http://talk.geek/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=5
> > > - http://talk.geek/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=4
> > > Click there on admin and moderators nicknames to see
> > > theirs last visit to this forum.
> > >
> > > I support moving to the forum instead of ML but we
> > > need such moderators that are visiting forum.
> > >
> > > With best regards, Dmitry S. Nikolaev
> > > Moscow, Russia
> > >
> > > On 01.01.2018 07:08, vv AT cgs.pw wrote:  
> > > > Also, have you been participating on our current
> > > > forum? It's been around for two years now.
> > > >
> > > >  http://talk.geek
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,  
> > >  
> >
> >
> >
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