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[Jonah Aragon <jonah AT opennic.org>]

If you wish to introduce points 1 and 2 yourself first I’ll wait to propose 
#4 later.

Jonah

> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> Jonah, would you mind if when I introduced this, I did not include #3 or #4 
> and changed the title to "[VOTE] Invalidate previous vote"? It seems that 
> OpenNIC people are divided on yea/nay right now, while it's important to 
> get rid of the confusion over those two votes which, according to instant 
> runoff voting, technically did pass with 1 week, even though we were all 
> confused. You can then introduce #4 (which implies #3) as a separate 
> proposal afterward. Sound OK?
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 16:35:22 +0200, Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net> wrote:
> 
>> This is still stupid, reactionary and unnecessary.
>> 
>> Like, there's never been a major issue with any kind of voting before,
>> and why'd you ban a decent system just because of one poor implementation?
>> 
>> Also, why do you feel like it's necessary to "nullify" a vote that has
>> not passed anyway?
>> 
>> If anything, there should be a requirement where a *final* vote has to
>> be a yes/no (as in, implement or do not implement), but there should be
>> no restriction on previous discussion or non-final votes. Voting in
>> general is a pretty good mechanism to gauge interest and opinions.
>> 
>> 
>> On 01.08.2018 21:29, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
>>> Per our discussion in this and other threads about proposals vs. personal 
>>> attacks and allegations of fraud, I would like to propose the following 
>>> alternative which does not mention my name or include such allegations 
>>> and attacks:
>>> 
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Invalidate previous vote; eliminate other forms of voting
>>> 
>>> 1. The proposal entitled "Reintroduction of past proposals", including 
>>> all associated votes, (re)counts, and results, is declared null and void.
>>> 2. The proposal entitled "Reintroduction of past proposals, IR, R1", 
>>> including all associated votes, (re)counts, and results, is declared null 
>>> and void.
>>> 3. The method in which the votes for the above proposals were counted are 
>>> hereby declared invalid for the above two proposals and shall not be used 
>>> for future proposals.
>>> 4. All votes in the future should be a simple “Aye/Yes” vs “Nay/No” style 
>>> of voting.
>>> 
>>> This vote shall be done in "Aye/Yes" and "Nay/No" style.
>>> 
>>> These rules shall take effect two days after the votes have been counted 
>>> and the results have been published to the mailing list.
>>> 
>>> ^^ I think it takes care of the actual procedural end of things without 
>>> accusations or personal attacks against myself. Jonah, will you accept 
>>> this for the vote, or do you have changes to suggest?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> -Dan Q
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 23:05:03 -0500, Jonah Aragon, OpenNIC Core Team 
>>> <jonah AT opennic.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to invalidate the results of Daniel Q’s previous vote, 
>>>> which was counted in a manner inconsistent with normal “instant runoff 
>>>> voting” procedure. As he won’t permit a sane recount by other community 
>>>> members including myself, the vote and all future related votes being 
>>>> conducted with the same voting procedure should be considered misleading 
>>>> and invalid.
>>>> 
>>>> Furthermore, I’d like to mandate that all votes in the future should be 
>>>> a simple “Aye/Yes” vs “Nay/No” style of voting, to avoid any such 
>>>> confusion again.
>>>> 
>>>> This proposal will be voted on as soon as legally permissible.
>>>> 
>>>> Jonah
>>>> 
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