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- From: mike <mike AT pikeaero.com>
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- Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting
- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:35:03 -0400
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Peter,
It's not what I call myself, but I guess generally people of similar
mind to myself here in Canada are called "Freeman on the land".
I just refer to myself as 'a sovereign' because that has an actual
dictionary definition both in common English and in English Law.
In other words, "Freeman on the land" is open to interpretation, where
"sovereign" is not, it is a very old word, with a well defined meaning.
- --Mike
On 06/06/2012 10:38 PM, Peter Green wrote:
> Oh Mike, what a breath of fresh air to hear your words! :-)
>
> We are indeed sovereign, if we choose to be, what joy to meet you,
> all be it in Cyberspace!
>
> Would you call your self a "Freeman of the land?"
>
> Peter
>
> Wanged from my Kaiser by a mischievous pixie!
>
> mike <mike AT pikeaero.com> wrote:
>
> Sigh...
>
> There's a lot of background that I could get into, and I would like
> to get into that, however I have time restraints so I'll try to
> keep it short.
>
> What it boils down to is that I operate my personal life (which
> OpenNIC is part of) as a sovereign human of planet Earth, for that
> part of my life I answer to nobody except my creator. I file no
> taxes of any kind related to any transactions when I am operating
> as a sovereign human (why should I? nobody owns me personally).
>
> My argument boils down to; nobody has jurisdiction over me when I
> am not operating as an agent of a corporation or a government (ask
> yourself how do they get authority over you?...), and/or any
> signatory to any of those things, in other words, when I operate as
> Mike of the family Sharkey, I answer to nobody, and pay no toll for
> doing so.
>
> So first of all, as you see I have no need for a 501.C3 and neither
> do you.
>
> By signing onto 501.C3 you are doing two things. You are providing
> prima facie evidence that you owe tax money in the first place
> (which you've already lost me at this point, because I don't owe
> any taxes to anybody despite what "officials" might seemingly
> claim).
>
> Then secondly 501.C3 puts you in a binding contract with the
> federal government whereby they get to set the rules. In other
> words, you are in effect asking the government to rule over you in
> exchange for not stealing as much money from you.
>
> It just does not compute for me.
>
> I should not really use the word "steal" as in theft when referring
> to Government taxation because most people just go along with it
> voluntarily and don't question a thing, it's more of a deception,
> a con job, a slight of hand, than it is really an outright theft,
> but on the other hand to deprive a person of his property by
> deception is also theft.....
>
> As a general rule I try to avoid in any way, associating my
> sovereign person (that I have worked so hard to untangle from the
> web of seemingly benign contracts with the government) with
> anything that might be consider evidence that I agree to any of the
> "offers" being put forth by them.
>
> Generally speaking anything you sign with the government will give
> them authority over you in some way. That's the core of my
> concern, like I said I've spent a considerable amount of effort
> getting back to being sovereign within my own life domain.
>
> In any case, I could write a book, but hopefully I've clarified my
> position sufficiently.
>
> --Mike
>
> On 06/06/2012 06:55 PM, Julian DeMarchi wrote:
>>>> On 06/07/2012 08:50 AM, mike wrote:
>>>>> The day OpenNIC is 501:C3, is the day I bail out.
>>>>
>>>> Share your thoughts please?
>>>>
>>>> --julian
>>>>
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- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, (continued)
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Ryan Trinder, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Julian DeMarchi, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Martin C, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, mike, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Andrew Norton, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, mike, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, mike, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Alex Nordlund, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting [branch topic?], mike, 06/08/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Andrew Norton, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, mike, 06/06/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Brian Koontz, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Quinn Wood, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Alex Hanselka, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Brian Koontz, 06/07/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Niels Dettenbach, 06/08/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Amazon Hosting, Quinn Wood, 06/07/2012
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