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  • From: "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>
  • To: "discuss" <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
  • Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] [PROPOSAL] 1 year wait before re-voting
  • Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:54:15 -0400 (EDT)

I will now create a voting thread for the first of these proposals.

--

-Dan Q


On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:29:48 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani"
<danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

> Here is a draft idea:
>
> Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same
> text, which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:
>
> * 1 year
> * 8 months
> * 6 months
> * Less than 6 months, as determined by a separate vote
> * No changes
>
> This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall
> take effect 1 month after the vote passes.
>
> ^^If less than 6 months is chosen by membership, the separate vote would be:
>
> Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same
> text, which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:
>
> * 4 months
> * 3 months
> * 1 month
> * No changes
>
> This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall
> take effect 1 month after the vote passes.
>
> ^^is this way better?
>
> --
>
> -Dan Q
>
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani"
> <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually "by actor" would not be needed (and an easy way around things)
> > if it was limited to literally identical text (as described below)
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani"
> > <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "By actor" is good, and all three examples I gave were by actor.
> > >
> > > You're right, it's best to only limit it to literally identical text,
> > > rather than try and cover subject matter in general. This way "let's do
> > > the .front vote again" or "let's vote on proposals B and D [exactly as
> > > they are written] again" would be covered by this policy while "I'll
> > > make a new proposal with a revised B and D" would not.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Dan Q
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:02:01 -0500, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just some thoughts I had...
> > > >
> > > > What differentiates proposals? Is it by idea? If I hate an idea could
> > > > I start a vote on it with some outlandish conclusion people would be
> > > > forced to vote “no” on, and now nobody can propose anything like it
> > > > for a year? For example, I could start a vote saying that if a
> > > > proposal fails, nobody can start another one for 1000 years. Once
> > > > everybody says no, is a “1 year wait before re-voting” proposal
> > > > disallowed because it’s a different take on the same idea?
> > > >
> > > > Is it by actor? What’s stopping me from giving my failed proposal
> > > > plus a few modifications to a buddy of mine to propose?
> > > >
> > > > Is it some combination of the two that determines uniqueness? If so,
> > > > who’s the judge of that? This could be used as a heavy handed tool to
> > > > prevent proposals by a single person or across a very wide scope of
> > > > ideas, because they’re “too similar.”
> > > >
> > > > When we make proposals it’s important to codify things exactly, in my
> > > > opinion. Sure, maybe a “reasonable judgement”-based idea like this
> > > > might work within our current community, but we should consider new
> > > > users or a potential rapid growth of our community that could
> > > > destabilize an organization like ours with “policies” like this.
> > > >
> > > > Jonah
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > There has been a problem of people trying to hold new votes too
> > > > > recently after their proposals lose. This includes Jonah's
> > > > > proposals to replace IRC with Discord and Sympa with Discourse, and
> > > > > someone who lost I think the .front TLD, and I did so myself with
> > > > > the .free/.libre thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose there be a one year (365 day) waiting period before
> > > > > anyone can bring proposals back up for a new vote.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > -Dan Q
> > > > >
> > > > >
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