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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

Here is a draft idea:

Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same text, 
which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:

* 1 year
* 8 months
* 6 months
* Less than 6 months, as determined by a separate vote
* No changes

This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall 
take effect 1 month after the vote passes.

^^If less than 6 months is chosen by membership, the separate vote would be:

Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same text, 
which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:

* 4 months
* 3 months
* 1 month
* No changes

This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall 
take effect 1 month after the vote passes.

^^is this way better?

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-Dan Q

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" 
<danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

> Actually "by actor" would not be needed (and an easy way around things) if 
> it was limited to literally identical text (as described below)
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" 
> <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> > "By actor" is good, and all three examples I gave were by actor.
> > 
> > You're right, it's best to only limit it to literally identical text, 
> > rather than try and cover subject matter in general. This way "let's do 
> > the .front vote again" or "let's vote on proposals B and D [exactly as 
> > they are written] again" would be covered by this policy while "I'll make 
> > a new proposal with a revised B and D" would not.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > -Dan Q
> > 
> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:02:01 -0500, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Just some thoughts I had... 
> > > 
> > > What differentiates proposals? Is it by idea? If I hate an idea could I 
> > > start a vote on it with some outlandish conclusion people would be 
> > > forced to vote “no” on, and now nobody can propose anything like it for 
> > > a year? For example, I could start a vote saying that if a proposal 
> > > fails, nobody can start another one for 1000 years. Once everybody says 
> > > no, is a “1 year wait before re-voting” proposal disallowed because 
> > > it’s a different take on the same idea?
> > > 
> > > Is it by actor? What’s stopping me from giving my failed proposal plus 
> > > a few modifications to a buddy of mine to propose?
> > > 
> > > Is it some combination of the two that determines uniqueness? If so, 
> > > who’s the judge of that? This could be used as a heavy handed tool to 
> > > prevent proposals by a single person or across a very wide scope of 
> > > ideas, because they’re “too similar.”
> > > 
> > > When we make proposals it’s important to codify things exactly, in my 
> > > opinion. Sure, maybe a “reasonable judgement”-based idea like this 
> > > might work within our current community, but we should consider new 
> > > users or a potential rapid growth of our community that could 
> > > destabilize an organization like ours with “policies” like this. 
> > > 
> > > Jonah
> > > 
> > > > On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > There has been a problem of people trying to hold new votes too 
> > > > recently after their proposals lose. This includes Jonah's proposals 
> > > > to replace IRC with Discord and Sympa with Discourse, and someone who 
> > > > lost I think the .front TLD, and I did so myself with the 
> > > > .free/.libre thing.
> > > > 
> > > > I propose there be a one year (365 day) waiting period before anyone 
> > > > can bring proposals back up for a new vote.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think?
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > > 
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