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[Sebastian Makowiecki <soocki AT mailbox.org>]

Should 'no changes' also be included in the second vote?

How about a vote where everyone also suggests the 'cool down period' in days/weeks/months/years. If the motion passes we will have a rough idea of the expectations of members regarding the duration of proposed cool down period. A second vote would decide on the duration of the proposed cool down. This way the 'no' voters can still have a say regarding the duration of cool down.

On 11 July 2018 20:29:48 GMT+01:00, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

Here is a draft idea:

Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same text, which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:

* 1 year
* 8 months
* 6 months
* Less than 6 months, as determined by a separate vote
* No changes

This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall take effect 1 month after the vote passes.

^^If less than 6 months is chosen by membership, the separate vote would be:

Proposals for OpenNIC TLDs, and all identical proposals using the same text, which have failed to pass, shall not be reintroduced for another:

* 4 months
* 3 months
* 1 month
* No changes

This proposal, which shall not be reintroduced for at least 1 year, shall take effect 1 month after the vote passes.

^^is this way better?

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-Dan Q

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:15:46 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

Actually "by actor" would not be needed (and an easy way around things) if it was limited to literally identical text (as described below)

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-Dan Q


On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

"By actor" is good, and all three examples I gave were by actor.

You're right, it's best to only limit it to literally identical text, rather than try and cover subject matter in general. This way "let's do the .front vote again" or "let's vote on proposals B and D [exactly as they are written] again" would be covered by this policy while "I'll make a new proposal with a revised B and D" would not.

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-Dan Q

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:02:01 -0500, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:

Just some thoughts I had...

What differentiates proposals? Is it by idea? If I hate an idea could I start a vote on it with some outlandish conclusion people would be forced to vote “no” on, and now nobody can propose anything like it for a year? For example, I could start a vote saying that if a proposal fails, nobody can start another one for 1000 years. Once everybody says no, is a “1 year wait before re-voting” proposal disallowed because it’s a different take on the same idea?

Is it by actor? What’s stopping me from giving my failed proposal plus a few modifications to a buddy of mine to propose?

Is it some combination of the two that determines uniqueness? If so, who’s the judge of that? This could be used as a heavy handed tool to prevent proposals by a single person or across a very wide scope of ideas, because they’re “too similar.”

When we make proposals it’s important to codify things exactly, in my opinion. Sure, maybe a “reasonable judgement”-based idea like this might work within our current community, but we should consider new users or a potential rapid growth of our community that could destabilize an organization like ours with “policies” like this.

Jonah

On Jul 9, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

Hi,

There has been a problem of people trying to hold new votes too recently after their proposals lose. This includes Jonah's proposals to replace IRC with Discord and Sympa with Discourse, and someone who lost I think the .front TLD, and I did so myself with the .free/.libre thing.

I propose there be a one year (365 day) waiting period before anyone can bring proposals back up for a new vote.

What do you think?

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-Dan Q


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