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[kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>]

That's fair.

Considering what appears to be no functional value to the opennic
community of peering namecoin and opennic directly, and even
considering the concern listed in the article regarding inproxies and
the blacklisting issues to opennic hosts, we may be better off dropping
namecoin.

Kevin

On Fri, 2019-06-14 at 22:30 -0600, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> My understanding is that a member of OpenNIc decided to add NameCoin 
> .bit domains as a way to expand opennic into cryptocurrency.  It
> seemed 
> like an interesting idea at the time and opennic members voted to 
> approve the addition.  As far as I know, we've never had a 
> representative from NameCoin here to discuss the domains, but I could
> be 
> wrong.
> 
> The problem is that .bit domains are anonymous, and opennic's
> resolution 
> of those domains opened up the possibility of malware operators to
> use 
> .bit domains to serve their malicious content. Basically it provided
> the 
> opportunity to protect these people behind another layer of
> obscurity.  
> We weren't even aware of this issue until Spamhaus started blocking 
> several of our servers without warning.  There has been a lot of 
> discussion about this, a lot of arguing, and a lot of different 
> viewpoints about the merits of NameCoin, but at this point I think
> what 
> it comes down to is whether or not NameCoin is beneficial to opennic
> in 
> any way, weighed against any harm our association with them may be 
> causing against the opennic project.
> 
> 
> On 06/13/2019 08:06 AM, kevin wrote:
> > This surprised me at first.  I didn't think there was any problem
> > with
> > namecoin.
> > 
> > I had to look back in some conversations, but I had met someone
> > using
> > EmerDNS in some Skycoin.net chats and seemed they are
> > happy.  Skycoin
> > devs claim they don't need peering, but I'm trying to advance that
> > conversation with them, anyhow.  I see a need there.
> > 
> > Just to comment on the article listed, sounds more like a problem
> > with
> > their system vs any problem with OpenNIC.  I get that OPs point,
> > but if
> > anyone can peek into that network using an inproxy, it is nothing
> > to do
> > with OpenNIC and everything to do with their application of DNS.
> > 
> > Regardless, people will complain.  Is there any CA at namecoin that
> > was
> > originally discussing peering with?  If there is an issue and they
> > have
> > not contacted us to stop peering, I don't see a need to do so.
> > 
> > My 2 cents.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2019-06-10 at 20:47 -0600, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> > > In addition to the points I recently brought up about NameCoin,
> > > Fusl
> > > also discovered the following article where it appears one of
> > > their
> > > own
> > > developers criticizes OpeNIC directly for making their .bit
> > > domains
> > > available to our users, however nobody from their group have ever
> > > contacted us to say there were any problems with our
> > > implementation
> > > or
> > > even ask us to stop peering with them.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
https://namecoin.org/2018/09/24/how-centralized-inproxies-make-everyone-less-safe-case-study.html
> > > The previous discussion on this topic was short-lived, but seemed
> > > to
> > > produce little in the way of support or dissent for .bit domains,
> > > possibly meaning that there is simply very little interest in
> > > .bit
> > > overall.
> > > 
> > > At this time I would like to call for a vote on whether we should
> > > keep
> > > peering with NameCoin or drop all support.  The vote can be found
> > > here:
> > > https://wiki.opennic.org/votings/drop_namecoin
> > > 
> > > Due to the low volume of chat and emails at this time of year, I
> > > have
> > > set the vote for a two-week period, ending on June 25th.
> > > Hopefully
> > > that
> > > will give everyone interested a chance to weigh in. For those not
> > > familiar with the voting page, please use your OpenNIC user
> > > account
> > > credentials (the same one you use on the servers page or to sign
> > > in
> > > to
> > > be.libre) to log in to the wiki in order to cast your
> > > vote.  Select
> > > if
> > > you want to keep or drop .bit, then click the grey "Your Vote"
> > > button.
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