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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

Another thing to mention too, Namecoin is more reliable than OpenNIC, since 
while OpenNIC is subject to people arguing over how to count votes, Namecoin 
will always be there so long as you are willing to pay for it.

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-Dan Q


On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:46:54 -0400 (EDT), "Daniel Quintiliani" 
<danq AT runbox.com> wrote:

> Due to the nature of Namecoin, you can't force certain entries to be added. 
> Namecoin isn't specific to domains, only the ones marked "d/" are subject 
> to resolution by ncdns. For example, there's NameID ("/id/name"):
> 
> https://namecha.in/name/id/domob
> 
> You can even do something goofy like this if you're willing to waste money:
> 
> https://namecha.in/name/k/on
> 
> Even if you change the Namecoin Core software to refuse to register a "/d" 
> without a certain "contact" or "abuse" record added, you can just use 
> different software (such as older versions, a patch, or a fork) to connect 
> to the same network.
> 
> And as for the comments on illegal content such as malware and child 
> pornography, to my knowledge server owners would be protected by safe 
> harbor laws such as Section 230 and the DMCA in the US, and I doubt they 
> would go to OpenNIC but instead the operator of the IP which the .bit 
> domain resolves to, because the IP with the illegal material is right there 
> in the open for everyone to see.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:22:48 -0400, Rouben <rouben AT rouben.net> wrote:
> 
> > Aside from the cypherpunk arguments here:
> > https://namecoin.org/2018/09/24/how-centralized-inproxies-make-everyone-less-safe-case-study.html
> > I would say that the biggest issue I recall with Namecoin is their
> > inability or unwillingness to do anything with abuse of their namespace.
> > I hope the folks at Namecoin recognize the abuse as a problem and are
> > looking into ways to adjust the Namecoin standard to make abuse 
> > impractical
> > (e.g. too costly). In either case I don’t think it’s fair to expect 
> > OpenNIC
> > infrastructure operators to have to deal with the issues they’re willingly
> > perpetuating with no “fix” in sight. As such, Namecoin’s and OpenNIC’s
> > philosophies may be too divergent to allow for any sort of stable
> > partnership.
> > 
> > Just my $0.02, but alas, I also admit that I’m a relatively fresh member 
> > of
> > this community, so my facts and understanding may not be accurate.
> > 
> > Rouben
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 14:13 <alejandro AT dnslibre.com.mx> wrote:
> > 
> > > Voted on page..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please drop it. They don’t deserve our help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *De:* discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org <
> > > discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org> *En nombre de *Jeff Taylor
> > > *Enviado el:* lunes, 10 de junio de 2019 09:47 p. m.
> > > *Para:* OpenNIC discussion <discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org>
> > > *Asunto:* [opennic-discuss] Vote to keep or drop peering with NameCoin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In addition to the points I recently brought up about NameCoin, Fusl 
> > > also
> > > discovered the following article where it appears one of their own
> > > developers criticizes OpeNIC directly for making their .bit domains
> > > available to our users, however nobody from their group have ever 
> > > contacted
> > > us to say there were any problems with our implementation or even ask 
> > > us to
> > > stop peering with them.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://namecoin.org/2018/09/24/how-centralized-inproxies-make-everyone-less-safe-case-study.html
> > >
> > > The previous discussion on this topic was short-lived, but seemed to
> > > produce little in the way of support or dissent for .bit domains, 
> > > possibly
> > > meaning that there is simply very little interest in .bit overall.
> > >
> > > At this time I would like to call for a vote on whether we should keep
> > > peering with NameCoin or drop all support.  The vote can be found here:
> > > https://wiki.opennic.org/votings/drop_namecoin
> > >
> > > Due to the low volume of chat and emails at this time of year, I have 
> > > set
> > > the vote for a two-week period, ending on June 25th.  Hopefully that 
> > > will
> > > give everyone interested a chance to weigh in.  For those not familiar 
> > > with
> > > the voting page, please use your OpenNIC user account credentials (the 
> > > same
> > > one you use on the servers page or to sign in to be.libre) to log in to 
> > > the
> > > wiki in order to cast your vote.  Select if you want to keep or drop 
> > > .bit,
> > > then click the grey "Your Vote" button.
> > >
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> > 
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