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[Peter Green <peter AT greenpete.co.uk>]

Wow what a thread to greet you when you open up your e-mail for the day!

Julian, it really isn't nice to hear anyone using the f word in a mailing 
list like this, especially from one of the lead members. It seems that Jamyn 
has already contributed to OpenNIC with the points made. So even if Jamyn was 
to disappear tomorrow there would be a net gain to OpenNIC.

I realise you have seen many come and go, but if you want people to hang 
around, you need to encourage them, they are not aware of or responsible for 
previous fly by nights.

It doesn't really matter if a person passess through if they have something 
positive to offer, which, in this case I think they do.

They are also more likely to stay if you don't attack them! ;-)

As you say, OpenNIC is made up of volunteers, but so are many other projects 
and they have a much more professional and polished product.

Can we clarify, is OpenNIC trying to get main stream adoption, or is it just 
a place for geeks?

For me doing something for freedom and free speech on the Internets is my 
main reason for being part of OpenNIC as such appealing to as many people as 
possible is my hope, in which case the new improvements are very welcomed.

Regards, Peter 

Julian DeMarchi <julian AT jdcomputers.com.au> wrote:

>> The new website isn't live. I filed reports on bugs with the existing
>> site. You know - the one that every single visitor sees right now.
>> Speaking of "all talk", it seems to fit the description of the "new
>> website" quite well.
>
>Heh....
>
>You've pushed me. Here is an announcement for it then.
>
>http://members.opennic.glue is our new member registration site. Don't
>sign up yet it is not ready, but I'm not all fuckin talk. I've spent
>months getting this ready!
>
>http://new.opennic.glue is our new website, again it is not complete
>yet. But i'm not _fuckin_ talk....
>
>All this is authd via ldap via SSL. Mailing list and the wiki will
>eventually be LDAP auth too, mvoing towards a SSO service.
>
>>> The end goal is broader adoption and the new website and services will
>>> assist with this.
>> 
>> Great. It doesn't invalidate any existing bug or issue that has been
>> reported until it's live, as the issues exist right now.
>
>But I've mentioned before that the new site is comin, and to be patient.
>
>>> I'm even more amused, we get your types popping up every so often making
>>> alot of noise, then when the offer to acually help is presented, all
>>> sorts of excuses are presented. So yes, you are all talk until proved
>>> otherwise.
>> 
>> Perhaps people lose interest in helping because when they raise
>> issues, they are rebuffed.
>> Would you spend your time helping someone that does not show any
>> interest in any issues raised?
>
>Rebuffing occured here becuase you pushed the point even though I stated
>the new site is coming. Now I've annouced it prematurely. Why, to prove
>I'm not _fuckin_ talk.
>
>>> So this could make the bug reports null and void, and you
>>> wouldn't know as no help has been offered.
>> 
>> Nobody asked me to help with anything - I simply started reporting
>> issues as I noticed them. And had someone simply said "great, thanks
>> for the reports - do you want to help with xyz?" I would have said
>> yes.
>> 
>> Your reaction to my reports is somewhat agressive. Do you enjoy
>> working with people like that?
>
>Indeed. I first asked you to be patient and wait. You pushed the point,
>so I gave you the option to stop talking, and help with the new efforts.
>You only continued to talk. All fuckin talk.
>
>--julian
>
>
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