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On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 22:31 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> Originally it was about the choice of the TLD .libre as a replacement for a 
> noncommercial-only .free, when something like .noncom or .noncomm would be 
> better suited since "libre" implies both commercial and noncommercial use.
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:28:24 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> 
> > I think the discussion was not about the word,
> > nor choice thereof, but about the appropriateness
> > of the charter.
> > 
> > ~ Ole
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
> > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > "libre vs gratis" is used in the free software movement,
> > > as the word "free" in English means both "free as in
> > > freedom" (libre) and "free of charge" (gratis).
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > -Dan Q
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:14:14 -0700, rhargrave
> > > <roman AT hargrave.info> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'm not up to speed on the .free replacement situation,
> > > > but has anyone suggested the charter of an entirely
> > > > novel domain deriving its name from the equivalent to
> > > > 'free' in another language (like .libre)? Perhaps
> > > > choosing a word from a conlang like Esperanto would
> > > > also eliminate disagreements based on locality. The
> > > > charter could be basically identical to .free.
> > > > 
> > > > ---- On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:03:21 -0700 vv AT cgs.pw wrote
> > > > ----
> > > > 
> > > > I think your points are good, and look forward to 
> > > > some discussion about that. Commercial usage can 
> > > > sometimes be a problem in some environments, but 
> > > > I honestly don't think that's going to happen here. 
> > > > In fact I think we should be so lucky as to have 
> > > > commercial interest in our world. It might be good 
> > > > for us. 
> > > > 
> > > > That said, the basic ideas of liberty and freedom 
> > > > are not compatible with such harsh censorship as 
> > > > espoused by the .libre charter. In fact I think it 
> > > > is very wrong and certainly deceptive - I hope not 
> > > > deliberately so. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, 
> > > > Ole Juul 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT) 
> > > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote: 
> > > >   
> > > > > Hi, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really think we need to reopen the choice of
> > > > > the .libre domain to replace .free. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The reason being that the charter for .libre forbids 
> > > > > commercial use while every use of .libre (FLOSS)
> > > > > means "free as in freedom" including the freedom for
> > > > > commercial use. Therefore .libre is
> > > > > misleading. .libre is closer to .oss than it is
> > > > > to .free. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > During the vote I suggested merging into .null, but
> > > > > it was during the voting thread, there was no
> > > > > discussion, and my vote to merge into .null wound up
> > > > > being the only vote to do so. Also, .null is intended
> > > > > for individuals, not organizations, so that was a bad
> > > > > idea anyway. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > While it's still soon enough, I think we should
> > > > > cancel the .libre domains and switch them to
> > > > > something like: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > .noncom 
> > > > > .noncomm 
> > > > > 
> > > > > or the like. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I propose .noncom 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Does anyone agree with me on .libre being a bad idea,
> > > > > and that we should rename it ASAP? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Dan Q   
> > > > 
> > > > 
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