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[kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>]

I was with Ole on that one...  I was misunderstanding at least, that you
wanted another word for "free as in beer".

And on that note, "free as in speech", as a word "free", is simply a
concatenated "freedom", which is really englaze(y).

:D

Kevin

On Sat, 2017-06-10 at 16:33 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> It's not a synonym.
> 
> Free (libre) = https://www.libreoffice.com
> 
> Free (gratis) = http://www.urbanterror.info
> 
> .libre implies both gratis and non-gratis.
> .free and its charter forbid non-gratis use, forcing domains to be 
> non-libre.
> Therefore, .libre is an inappropriate replacement TLD for gratis content.
> 
> Get it?
> 
> If you don't, see: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
> 
> --
> 
> -Dan Q
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:22:30 -0500, kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > synonyms:
> > http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/free
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 2017-06-10 at 15:41 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > > Everyone keeps misunderstanding me. I want to change the TLD, not the 
> > > charter.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > -Dan Q
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:17:38 +0200, Amunak <amunak AT amunak.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I like this choice also because it's very unlikely that someone might 
> > > > register it with ICANN, as it's not really a word or anything.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Dne 10.06.2017 v 7:03 kevin napsal(a):
> > > > > .faif
> > > > >
> > > > > <free as in freedom>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 22:31 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani wrote:
> > > > >> Originally it was about the choice of the TLD .libre as a 
> > > > >> replacement for a noncommercial-only .free, when something like 
> > > > >> .noncom or .noncomm would be better suited since "libre" implies 
> > > > >> both commercial and noncommercial use.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Dan Q
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:28:24 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I think the discussion was not about the word,
> > > > >>> nor choice thereof, but about the appropriateness
> > > > >>> of the charter.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ~ Ole
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > >>> "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> "libre vs gratis" is used in the free software movement,
> > > > >>>> as the word "free" in English means both "free as in
> > > > >>>> freedom" (libre) and "free of charge" (gratis).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -Dan Q
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:14:14 -0700, rhargrave
> > > > >>>> <roman AT hargrave.info> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> I'm not up to speed on the .free replacement situation,
> > > > >>>>> but has anyone suggested the charter of an entirely
> > > > >>>>> novel domain deriving its name from the equivalent to
> > > > >>>>> 'free' in another language (like .libre)? Perhaps
> > > > >>>>> choosing a word from a conlang like Esperanto would
> > > > >>>>> also eliminate disagreements based on locality. The
> > > > >>>>> charter could be basically identical to .free.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ---- On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:03:21 -0700 vv AT cgs.pw wrote
> > > > >>>>> ----
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I think your points are good, and look forward to
> > > > >>>>> some discussion about that. Commercial usage can
> > > > >>>>> sometimes be a problem in some environments, but
> > > > >>>>> I honestly don't think that's going to happen here.
> > > > >>>>> In fact I think we should be so lucky as to have
> > > > >>>>> commercial interest in our world. It might be good
> > > > >>>>> for us.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> That said, the basic ideas of liberty and freedom
> > > > >>>>> are not compatible with such harsh censorship as
> > > > >>>>> espoused by the .libre charter. In fact I think it
> > > > >>>>> is very wrong and certainly deceptive - I hope not
> > > > >>>>> deliberately so.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> Ole Juul
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > >>>>> "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>    
> > > > >>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I really think we need to reopen the choice of
> > > > >>>>>> the .libre domain to replace .free.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> The reason being that the charter for .libre forbids
> > > > >>>>>> commercial use while every use of .libre (FLOSS)
> > > > >>>>>> means "free as in freedom" including the freedom for
> > > > >>>>>> commercial use. Therefore .libre is
> > > > >>>>>> misleading. .libre is closer to .oss than it is
> > > > >>>>>> to .free.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> During the vote I suggested merging into .null, but
> > > > >>>>>> it was during the voting thread, there was no
> > > > >>>>>> discussion, and my vote to merge into .null wound up
> > > > >>>>>> being the only vote to do so. Also, .null is intended
> > > > >>>>>> for individuals, not organizations, so that was a bad
> > > > >>>>>> idea anyway.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> While it's still soon enough, I think we should
> > > > >>>>>> cancel the .libre domains and switch them to
> > > > >>>>>> something like:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> .noncom
> > > > >>>>>> .noncomm
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> or the like.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> I propose .noncom
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Does anyone agree with me on .libre being a bad idea,
> > > > >>>>>> and that we should rename it ASAP?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> -- 
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> -Dan Q
> > > > >>>>>
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