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Not immediately obvious is a good point. It's a good
idea, but a little odd perhaps.

In any case, what's in a name? If the name and the
charter don't match well that's perhaps another thing
but changing the charter is the easiest solution.

My problem here is that there seems to be an intent
at conveying freedom and liberty, yet the charter
is everything but. To my way of thinking, that is just
wrong and the only solution is to re-write the charter
to be less draconian and more egalitarian.

OpenNIC, in my opinion, is better aligned with
democratic ideas and personal freedom. It seems that
some people relish the idea of control over others.
Would it not be better to move away from that sort
of thing?

~ Ole


On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:57:23 -0500
Jonah Aragon <jonaharagon AT gmail.com> wrote:

> I dislike this choice because it doesn't seem immediately
> obvious as to what it means, you shouldn't have to
> clarify the meaning of a TLD.
> 
> I agree that .libre is kind of misleading with the
> current charter, but I don't think any of the alternative
> names suggested are as good as the other TLDs we
> currently host.
> 
> Has nobody considered just amending the charter instead
> of replacing the string? I think .libre is a good TLD to
> keep around.
> 
> Jonah
> 
> On Jun 10, 2017 12:05 AM, "kevin" <krattai AT gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> .faif
> 
> <free as in freedom>
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 22:31 -0400, Daniel Quintiliani
> wrote:
> > Originally it was about the choice of the TLD .libre as
> > a replacement for  
> a noncommercial-only .free, when something like .noncom
> or .noncomm would be better suited since "libre" implies
> both commercial and noncommercial use.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Dan Q
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:28:24 -0700, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
> >  
> > > I think the discussion was not about the word,
> > > nor choice thereof, but about the appropriateness
> > > of the charter.
> > >
> > > ~ Ole
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
> > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > >  
> > > > "libre vs gratis" is used in the free software
> > > > movement, as the word "free" in English means both
> > > > "free as in freedom" (libre) and "free of
> > > > charge" (gratis).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Dan Q
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:14:14 -0700, rhargrave
> > > > <roman AT hargrave.info> wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > I'm not up to speed on the .free replacement
> > > > > situation, but has anyone suggested the charter
> > > > > of an entirely novel domain deriving its name
> > > > > from the equivalent to 'free' in another language
> > > > > (like .libre)? Perhaps choosing a word from a
> > > > > conlang like Esperanto would also eliminate
> > > > > disagreements based on locality. The charter
> > > > > could be basically identical to .free.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---- On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 19:03:21 -0700 vv AT cgs.pw
> > > > > wrote ----
> > > > >
> > > > > I think your points are good, and look forward to
> > > > > some discussion about that. Commercial usage can
> > > > > sometimes be a problem in some environments, but
> > > > > I honestly don't think that's going to happen
> > > > > here. In fact I think we should be so lucky as to
> > > > > have commercial interest in our world. It might
> > > > > be good for us.
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, the basic ideas of liberty and freedom
> > > > > are not compatible with such harsh censorship as
> > > > > espoused by the .libre charter. In fact I think it
> > > > > is very wrong and certainly deceptive - I hope not
> > > > > deliberately so.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Ole Juul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > > "Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I really think we need to reopen the choice of
> > > > > > the .libre domain to replace .free.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason being that the charter for .libre
> > > > > > forbids commercial use while every use
> > > > > > of .libre (FLOSS) means "free as in freedom"
> > > > > > including the freedom for commercial use.
> > > > > > Therefore .libre is misleading. .libre is
> > > > > > closer to .oss than it is to .free.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > During the vote I suggested merging into .null,
> > > > > > but it was during the voting thread, there was
> > > > > > no discussion, and my vote to merge into .null
> > > > > > wound up being the only vote to do so.
> > > > > > Also, .null is intended for individuals, not
> > > > > > organizations, so that was a bad idea anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While it's still soon enough, I think we should
> > > > > > cancel the .libre domains and switch them to
> > > > > > something like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > .noncom
> > > > > > .noncomm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or the like.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I propose .noncom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone agree with me on .libre being a bad
> > > > > > idea, and that we should rename it ASAP?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Dan Q  
> > > > >
> > > > >
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