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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

So you're saying the purpose of collecting demographic information about 
OpenNIC usage is to protect against destruction (hacking and denial of 
service attacks)? Sounds ridiculous to compare not collecting personal 
information on OpenNIC users to a blind man flying an airplane.

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-Dan Q


On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:27:05 -0500, "Dennis Emory Hannon" 
<info AT backplanedns.org> wrote:

> Understanding visitor demographic is key for any organization. It allows 
> leadership to assess and improve outreach by understanding target audience. 
> I’m all for optimizing referral traffic if we can maintain user privacy and 
> this could be the solution.
> 
> A website administrator without analytics is like stevie wonder flying an 
> airplane. 
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> -Dennis
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> From: discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org 
> [mailto:discuss-request AT lists.opennicproject.org] On Behalf Of Jonah Aragon
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 5:30 PM
> To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] [PROPOSAL] Implementing Piwik Web Analytics
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> Hi,
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> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, so Piwik gets our personal information, which no doubt disqualifies 
> OpenNIC from Prism-Break (which is where I first learned about it), but who 
> gets the ad revenue and referral money from this?
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> Like I said:
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> All the data will be fully controlled by us on our servers, Piwik is not a 
> third-party service
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> I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Piwik is an open-source, 
> self-hosted Google Analytics alternative and the data would be controlled 
> by us. Nobody is mentioning advertisements or referrals, and no money is 
> being exchanged here. It's for insight into who visits our community and 
> where they come from mainly. See https://piwik.org/ for more details.
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> Jonah
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> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Daniel Quintiliani <danq AT runbox.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, so Piwik gets our personal information, which no doubt disqualifies 
> OpenNIC from Prism-Break (which is where I first learned about it), but who 
> gets the ad revenue and referral money from this?
> 
> I once dealt with something similar, a local nonprofit who then had a 
> broken Web site, with a CMS (IIRC Joomla) that had nothing to do with and 
> no effect on the actual Web site, which was run by a person nobody could 
> get in contact with anymore, yet had something along the lines of Piwik or 
> Google Analytics at the bottom of the page which he was still profiting 
> from, and the nonprofit got nothing out of the deal.
> 
> Again, who gets the ad revenue and referral money? Some ghost treasurer for 
> OpenNIC?
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> --
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> -Dan Q
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> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:15:32 -0600, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:
> 
> > In October of last year I brought up using Piwik to collect general
> > analytics of our web traffic on various key sites. It was met with mainly
> > approval, but we never took it farther than that, so I'd like to
> > reintroduce it here with a vote as the final intention at the end of this
> > discussion period.
> >
> > For a list of data our operators will be technically able to collect,
> > https://piwik.org/faq/general/#faq_18254
> >
> > In particular, we would be collecting Visitor IP addresses, anonymized to
> > the 2nd byte, for example 10.0.10.193 would appear and be stored as
> > 10.0.xxx.xxx in our logs. Geolocation would likely only be on a country or
> > major region level because of that obfuscation as well.
> >
> > All the data will be fully controlled by us on our servers, Piwik is not a
> > third-party service, and it will be hosted on our domain, likely
> > piwik.opennic.org or stats.opennic.org.
> >
> > Opting out is easy, and you will have 3 different methods to do so:
> >
> > 1. Setting a piwik_ignore cookie in your browser (we will have a checkbox
> > on a Privacy Policy page for you to do this easily).
> > 2. Enabling Do Not Track in your browser, which will be respected.
> > 3. Disabling Javascript (or using an adblocker, uBlock Origin seems to
> > block Piwik by default)
> >
> > Anyways feel free to look through Piwik’a Privacy options (https://piwik
> > .org/docs/privacy/) and FAQ (https://piwik.org/faq/), and ask any other
> > questions you have here.
> >
> > The server hosting Piwik itself will likely be on Amazon EC2 on the 
> > OpenNIC
> > account (that Fusl operates), which hosts a lot of our other 
> > infrastructure
> > as well.
> >
> > Barring any major disapproval, I intend to bring this to a vote within the
> > next week or two.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Jonah
> >
> >
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