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["Daniel Quintiliani" <danq AT runbox.com>]

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 00:25:02 +0000, Jonah Aragon <jonah AT triplebit.net> wrote:

> Collecting analytics would benefit Tier 2 operators because we would have a
> more accurate representation of where our users are coming from, and could
> perhaps make more decisions regarding location, etc. of our servers taking
> that into account.
> 

We already have the IP-based location with uptime measurement on the front 
page, don't we? How will select data on the Web site and Wiki be of any use 
to Tier 2? You said previously that only you, Jeff, and Fusl, and people you 
approve would have access to the entire data, not Tier 2.

> It would also benefit developers of our secondary services like the wiki,
> website, and server directory for the reasons I mentioned previously.
> 

I really think this is a really, really bad direction to take the 
organization. It's Mozilla aka Google Tax Shelter all over again. In fact 
this whole proposal reeks of "Help Mozilla Map The World!" where only Mozilla 
and partners like Google have access to collected Wi-Fi device and SSID data. 
Goodbye democracy.

> The anonymous data I mentioned previously would be available publicly via
> the web interface and an API to the public, no login required. Scraping
> that data would be silly in my opinion, but since again, the data is
> available to everybody, making a tool that does that is definitely
> something you could do if you wanted.
> 

You said previously that only some of the data would be available to the 
public, while the rest would only be available to "guessing" a small group of 
3 people and whoever they approve:

"Some additional data will be available to certain individuals which would 
include the anonymized IP addresses and some browser information. Those 
individuals would likely just be the maintainers of our various web services: 
I'm guessing Fusl, Shdwdrgn (Jeff Taylor), and myself. But anyone who 
reasonably requires additional information could be granted access as well."