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I know you guys are going to figure this out, I already wrote what I 
think - Profit and Principles are different champions.

I do what I can to support OpenNIC, and I am not a leech hoping to get 
free work out of you for my own purposes.
I have a huge wiki explaining my purpose and you never going to find me 
in contradiction.

".pirate" and ".anarchy" are all fun and play, but I think something 
like ".manufacture" could better pay some bills - no?
Let Epik have the ".mfg" - and spend a lot of money and time fighting 
for it with ICANN, litigate EU laws and regulations, and so on, so on...

Epik could be free advertisement for OpenNIC, the Truly Libre 
Alternative.

Just my two cents and my worthless ideas.
- Sandor

On 2020-04-08 14:49, kevin wrote:
> Yup, no kidding.  "We'll just blow over other TLDs because we can
> [sic]".
>
> lol
>
> Well, whatever.  :D  I'll continue to direct people I know that are
> looking for an alternative, to use OpenNIC root servers, or mine which
> cascades OneNIC.  Epik can do whatever they want, people using OpenNIC
> will resolve the original TLDs.  In all fairness, ICANN can do the
> same, to both OpenNIC AND to Epik (as with .free; and don't get me
> started on that, again), for those who won't move from ICANN.  ie.
> Everyone who uses the default DNS from traditional ISPs (like most
> people).  Don't know how the plan to painlessly solve for that problem.
> Either Epik really doesn't understand how DNS works, or their heads are
> so far up their sphincters, they haven't had oxygen for years.
>
> And then he has the gall to end with:
> "The names that we did register will continue to resolve across our
> network. We reserve the right to re-open those name spaces at a time
> of
> our choosing.
>
> Best of luck to you."
>
> Seriously.  What an arse.  His or a rep of Epik's hot air will get no
> traction here.  They can carry on with their narcissistic BS.
>
> Kevin
>
> On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 19:30 +0000, Kévin wrote:
> > > An update from the namepros discussion thread, from the CEO of Epik
> > > this morning:
> > > "As a courtesy to OpenNIC, we suspended selling overlapping TLDs.
> > > There is an abundance of namespace for Alt TLDs. @Sufyan Alani will
> > > be in touch with them to explore API integration."
> >
> > Thing is it looks like they don't care, and it's kind of clear from
> > the wording they're willing to hijack whatever they want and a big F
> > to the community as a whole (
> > https://www.namepros.com/threads/o-official-discussion.1184322/page-8#post-7713450
> > ) :
> >
> > To avoid confusion, we'll try not to trip over OpenNIC TLDs. No
> > promises there.The names that we did register will continue to
> > resolve across our network. We reserve the right to re-open those
> > name spaces at a time of our choosing.
> >
> > Kévin
> > Always remember to pillage before you burn.
> >
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> >
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > Le mercredi 8 avril 2020 20:59, Jeff Taylor <shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > I started answering some questions in the namepros discussion
> > > thread this morning.  We will likely see someone from Epik join our
> > > mailing list at some point to discuss their perspective.  And
> > > you're right, folks want to monetize OpenNIC without really
> > > understanding why we do this for free.  OpenNIC was founded on the
> > > principle that domain names have no actual value, and can only be
> > > sold due to inflation from making domain names artificially
> > > scarce.  Literally anyone can build and run a root zone, but ICANN
> > > forces a monopoly to keep themselves in business.
> > >
> > > An update from the namepros discussion thread, from the CEO of Epik
> > > this morning:
> > > "As a courtesy to OpenNIC, we suspended selling overlapping TLDs.
> > > There is an abundance of namespace for Alt TLDs. @Sufyan Alani will
> > > be in touch with them to explore API integration."
> > >
> > > On 04/08/2020 11:52 AM, kevin wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have been quiet on this list for a long time because mostly,
> > > > much of
> > > > the kerfuffle blows over.  I'm sure this will, as well.
> > > >
> > > > I did want to add my agreement to what Jeff is saying,
> > > > though.  So many
> > > > have come and gone from OpenNIC.  I guess somehow the people who
> > > > come
> > > > along and try to capitalize on the efforts of the core community,
> > > > as
> > > > though we will somehow magically just agree to do much or all of
> > > > the
> > > > hard work of developing something unique around the community
> > > > efforts
> > > > and not try to leverage the community out from under us, is how
> > > > people
> > > > like those at Epik think.  It is that lack of understanding of
> > > > the
> > > > infrastructure and the people and community who created and
> > > > maintain
> > > > it, that sees those attempts fail, time and again.
> > > >
> > > > I guess, good luck to Epik.  Pulling TLDs out from under the TLD
> > > > owners' feet is pretty much going to be an effort in
> > > > futility.  :D
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 10:46 -0600, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 04/08/2020 03:44 AM, postmaster wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As long as you, and I and we as OpenNIC do not have a
> > > > > > business plan
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > cash in, no revenue model and no infrastructure, I personally
> > > > > > consider
> > > > > > complaints a bit of envy and a lot of wishful thinking.
> > > > > This line of your reply really stands out to me.  It sounds to
> > > > > me
> > > > > like
> > > > > you are saying that despite two decades of hard work, since
> > > > > we're
> > > > > not
> > > > > trying to make money off of our labors we have no right to
> > > > > complain
> > > > > about what is happening?
> > > > >
> > > > > Quit frankly there is no envy on my part -- Epik is going to
> > > > > discover
> > > > > a
> > > > > huge number of hurdles in their strategy that OpenNIC solved
> > > > > years
> > > > > ago.
> > > > > And there is certainly no wishful thinking here -- I hope to
> > > > > never
> > > > > see
> > > > > OpenNIC move to a for-profit model because that will destroy
> > > > > the
> > > > > very
> > > > > foundation that the project was built on.
> > > > >
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