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[kevin <krattai AT gmail.com>]

I'm certainly not against someone capitalizing on their skill set by
utilizing OpenNIC infrastructure and prior work.

The difference here is their apparent assertion that they will do what
ever they want, even where it both uses OpenNIC infrastructure for
their benefit, while disregarding and harming existing OpenNIC
infrastructure.

It would most likely be in their best interest to work WITH OpenNIC
members and infrastructure.  Or don't use OpenNIC at all.  They don't
need to use or engage OpenNIC if that is how they wish to operate.  I
suppose they figure they are doing the members a favour, and maybe
"free advertising" is that favour, but again, not when it harms our
infrastructure.  This would be no different than the DNS pollution that
we are consistently working with each other to prevent in the first
place.

PS:  I admit that TLDs like .free, .pirate, and .anarchy are dear to my
heart and someone can just byte me if they want to roll our members
under the moving bus to take those over.  If that's the case, they have
no idea what those TLDs represent, and especially not what anarchy is.

Kevin

On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 15:11 -0500, postmaster wrote:
> I know you guys are going to figure this out, I already wrote what I 
> think - Profit and Principles are different champions.
> 
> I do what I can to support OpenNIC, and I am not a leech hoping to
> get 
> free work out of you for my own purposes.
> I have a huge wiki explaining my purpose and you never going to find
> me 
> in contradiction.
> 
> ".pirate" and ".anarchy" are all fun and play, but I think something 
> like ".manufacture" could better pay some bills - no?
> Let Epik have the ".mfg" - and spend a lot of money and time
> fighting 
> for it with ICANN, litigate EU laws and regulations, and so on, so
> on...
> 
> Epik could be free advertisement for OpenNIC, the Truly Libre 
> Alternative.
> 
> Just my two cents and my worthless ideas.
> - Sandor
> 
> On 2020-04-08 14:49, kevin wrote:
> > Yup, no kidding.  "We'll just blow over other TLDs because we can
> > [sic]".
> > 
> > lol
> > 
> > Well, whatever.  :D  I'll continue to direct people I know that are
> > looking for an alternative, to use OpenNIC root servers, or mine
> > which
> > cascades OneNIC.  Epik can do whatever they want, people using
> > OpenNIC
> > will resolve the original TLDs.  In all fairness, ICANN can do the
> > same, to both OpenNIC AND to Epik (as with .free; and don't get me
> > started on that, again), for those who won't move from ICANN.  ie.
> > Everyone who uses the default DNS from traditional ISPs (like most
> > people).  Don't know how the plan to painlessly solve for that
> > problem.
> > Either Epik really doesn't understand how DNS works, or their heads
> > are
> > so far up their sphincters, they haven't had oxygen for years.
> > 
> > And then he has the gall to end with:
> > "The names that we did register will continue to resolve across our
> > network. We reserve the right to re-open those name spaces at a
> > time
> > of
> > our choosing.
> > 
> > Best of luck to you."
> > 
> > Seriously.  What an arse.  His or a rep of Epik's hot air will get
> > no
> > traction here.  They can carry on with their narcissistic BS.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 
> > On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 19:30 +0000, Kévin wrote:
> > > > An update from the namepros discussion thread, from the CEO of
> > > > Epik
> > > > this morning:
> > > > "As a courtesy to OpenNIC, we suspended selling overlapping
> > > > TLDs.
> > > > There is an abundance of namespace for Alt TLDs. @Sufyan Alani
> > > > will
> > > > be in touch with them to explore API integration."
> > > 
> > > Thing is it looks like they don't care, and it's kind of clear
> > > from
> > > the wording they're willing to hijack whatever they want and a
> > > big F
> > > to the community as a whole (
> > > 
https://www.namepros.com/threads/o-official-discussion.1184322/page-8#post-7713450
> > > ) :
> > > 
> > > To avoid confusion, we'll try not to trip over OpenNIC TLDs. No
> > > promises there.The names that we did register will continue to
> > > resolve across our network. We reserve the right to re-open those
> > > name spaces at a time of our choosing.
> > > 
> > > Kévin
> > > Always remember to pillage before you burn.
> > > 
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > > 
> > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > > Le mercredi 8 avril 2020 20:59, Jeff Taylor <
> > > shdwdrgn AT sourpuss.net> a
> > > écrit :
> > > 
> > > > I started answering some questions in the namepros discussion
> > > > thread this morning.  We will likely see someone from Epik join
> > > > our
> > > > mailing list at some point to discuss their perspective.  And
> > > > you're right, folks want to monetize OpenNIC without really
> > > > understanding why we do this for free.  OpenNIC was founded on
> > > > the
> > > > principle that domain names have no actual value, and can only
> > > > be
> > > > sold due to inflation from making domain names artificially
> > > > scarce.  Literally anyone can build and run a root zone, but
> > > > ICANN
> > > > forces a monopoly to keep themselves in business.
> > > > 
> > > > An update from the namepros discussion thread, from the CEO of
> > > > Epik
> > > > this morning:
> > > > "As a courtesy to OpenNIC, we suspended selling overlapping
> > > > TLDs.
> > > > There is an abundance of namespace for Alt TLDs. @Sufyan Alani
> > > > will
> > > > be in touch with them to explore API integration."
> > > > 
> > > > On 04/08/2020 11:52 AM, kevin wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I have been quiet on this list for a long time because
> > > > > mostly,
> > > > > much of
> > > > > the kerfuffle blows over.  I'm sure this will, as well.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I did want to add my agreement to what Jeff is saying,
> > > > > though.  So many
> > > > > have come and gone from OpenNIC.  I guess somehow the people
> > > > > who
> > > > > come
> > > > > along and try to capitalize on the efforts of the core
> > > > > community,
> > > > > as
> > > > > though we will somehow magically just agree to do much or all
> > > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > hard work of developing something unique around the community
> > > > > efforts
> > > > > and not try to leverage the community out from under us, is
> > > > > how
> > > > > people
> > > > > like those at Epik think.  It is that lack of understanding
> > > > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > infrastructure and the people and community who created and
> > > > > maintain
> > > > > it, that sees those attempts fail, time and again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I guess, good luck to Epik.  Pulling TLDs out from under the
> > > > > TLD
> > > > > owners' feet is pretty much going to be an effort in
> > > > > futility.  :D
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 2020-04-08 at 10:46 -0600, Jeff Taylor wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On 04/08/2020 03:44 AM, postmaster wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > As long as you, and I and we as OpenNIC do not have a
> > > > > > > business plan
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > cash in, no revenue model and no infrastructure, I
> > > > > > > personally
> > > > > > > consider
> > > > > > > complaints a bit of envy and a lot of wishful thinking.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This line of your reply really stands out to me.  It sounds
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > you are saying that despite two decades of hard work, since
> > > > > > we're
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > trying to make money off of our labors we have no right to
> > > > > > complain
> > > > > > about what is happening?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Quit frankly there is no envy on my part -- Epik is going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > discover
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > huge number of hurdles in their strategy that OpenNIC
> > > > > > solved
> > > > > > years
> > > > > > ago.
> > > > > > And there is certainly no wishful thinking here -- I hope
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > never
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > OpenNIC move to a for-profit model because that will
> > > > > > destroy
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > very
> > > > > > foundation that the project was built on.
> > > > > > 
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