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[Alex Nordlund <deep.alexander AT gmail.com>]

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu> 
wrote:
>
>
> On 08/16/2011 01:19 PM, Alex Nordlund wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu> 
>> wrote:
>>> please folks read the charter yourself and get a proper picture of
>>> what's behind it. There are unexplainable fears here which i simply
>>> cannot see.
>>
>> I see them pretty clearly and unfortunately I agree with Travis on this 
>> point.
> care to explain? Because nobody yet did properly. i wonder if i could
> have feedback of someone who actually sponsors a TLD and thus facing
> those issues which might raise up, some people on the other hand just
> see one side of the story, and that's kind of sad.

I sponsored .bbs until my server was unfit for it.
But here's my summary then, I will quote the charter with ~~~.

~~~
NIC domains can be registered by any individual or for an entity by an
individual/natural person. Registrations may be challenged at any time
if they are not held by an individual or if the holder cannot prove an
outside relation justifying reservation of the name, to prevent
"Cybersquatting". further exceptions are listed below.
~~~

Does this mean that if I can't prove an outside relation to the name,
I risk losing my "general purpose" domain?

~~~
Activity
NIC reserves the right to remove any domain not resolvable for more than
a week.
~~~

I see the reason behind this and it makes sense, but it's perfectly
possible for a website to be down for a week without anything special
happening.


~~~
Non-Profit clause
As this TLD is made available not for profit, domains (including
subdomains) may not be transferred for compensation.
~~~

Do you really need this if you restrict people to 10ish domains?
Is it general purpose if I'm not allowed to sell it?


~~~
Prohibited contents and behavior
to limit a larger spectrum for abusive behavior the following is
strictly forbidden, legitimate complaints regarding these activities
will result in suspension and revocation of all appropriate domains:
~~~

This is the section I think sparked the most (dis)interest.

~~~ • general contents/activities considered illegal. this includes
but is not limited to:

~~~ ∘ cracks/warez/malware/botnets/honeypots
I'm not allowed to run a honeypot? seriously?
How far do you stretch this? If I run a kind of honeypot to trap
spammers keeping them away from my legitimate service on the same
machine, do I risk losing my domain?

~~~ • SEO/marketing websites
I do marketing, I've tried to teach people about SEO, does that mean I
can't put my website under this tld?
Is my purpose not general enough?

~~~ • pornographic, racists/extremist contents
The last part I agree with. Do you mind pornography? I don't.

~~~ • torrent tracker
Torrent trackers are not necessary illegal, I use torrents to
effectively distribute large amounts of data, does that mean my site
isn't allowed?

~~~
Big Business clause
corporations, large enterprises (>50 employess) and financial entities
are not allowed to expand their business under a NIC TLD for now. In
case of a registered trademark, it is possible for the responsible to
send a request to have their name registered by NIC and suspeneded
definitively or http forward to a given URL.
(This process requires verification, any cost created by this process
will be covered by the responsible in question).
~~~

Any cost? We're not allowed to make money on it but you're expecting
cash from corporations?
How is it general use if you're locking out the business world?
How much do you reckon this cost might be?

I may be strongly against capitalism, but I do not see how you can
exclude them from a party just based on that.



On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu> 
wrote:
> if there are now arguments to be found which changes the charter, there
> has to be another vote, and i have a feeling there will be endless
> changes, because in a democracy you just simply can't make everybody
> happy. this will clearly result in nothing.

The odds of that are small, I don't think I've ever seen a discussion
change the charter.
Pretty much the same things are being brought up now as previously.
But then again, I'm pretty blind.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Dominique Rehborn <dominique AT boxnet.eu> 
wrote:
> please raise a valid point if you reply. thanks.

So hostile~



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//Alex