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[Amrit Panesar <apanesar AT 4195tech.com>]

I agree with you Nyles, there are many downsides about relying on large 
companies, such as Google for keeping your private correspondences - private. 
However, at the cost of the lack of privacy, and perhaps a multitude of other 
bits of information that may or may not already be public knowledge, you are 
provided with tangible goods and services, such as the lack of configuration 
needed to have unsolicited email filtered from your sight.

I understand that part of Google's filtering algorithm includes reported 
messages from other users of their service. This is impossible to do with a 
handful of clients.

Proper spam filtering would be easier if everyone knew what needed to be 
done; quite frankly however, there are a lot of people that do not have the 
required skill-set for running a proper, spam-filtered mail server. I include 
myself in this group and find it much easier to use an open an easy framework 
that gets the job done. I'd much rather spend my nights sleeping than 
tinkering with spam filtering rules so my mail can reliably find my inbox.

Thanks

-AP

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On Jan 3, 2012, at 0:09, "Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat IT&Internet)" 
<nd AT syndicat.com> wrote:

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> Amrit Panesar <apanesar AT 4195tech.com> schrieb:
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> For first, google did crawl email adresses, but as in many other points 
> google is just useless for different professional usage scenarios and even 
> spammers collecting email adresses.
> 
> This is why spammers / address collectors run their own crawlers today 
> and/or collect email addresses by other ways (i.e. directly from mail 
> clients on trojaned PCs / end user devices).
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> 
>> Well said, Mr. Julian. With the evolution of spam filters (especially
>> those Google has developed)
> Google developed any spam filters? That's a far joke as Google byself set's 
> widely on still (by others) developed open source solutions. Google anytime 
> was several steps behind that spam filter evolution then most professional 
> business email providers i know or worked for. Even our own spam filters - 
> consiting of open source and own solutions - are doing their job since many 
> years on a higher level then Google ones.
> 
> Today proper spam filtering is not a really big job anymore if you just 
> know what you are doing as a postmaster.
> 
>> My advice to those who are are concerned with spam: have google host
>> your email, or use proper spam filters :)
> 
> This is nonsense if you want to avoid ads and marketing stuff if you mean 
> "spam" at all. Google provides you mailspace at the cost of your privacy 
> and personal time as google uses it to sell ad channels to you to anyone 
> who want to reach you as a proper marketing target. This is exactly that 
> what spam filtering was formerly developed against.
> 
> The correct advise should be: Just use a mail system / provider 
> administrated by anyone who knows what he is doing and does a proper job. 
> And there are many out much better then google, but at the cost of your 
> money instead of your time and personality...
> 
> Yes, there are still many mailservers and even providers out not able to 
> run a proper email system, but there are many too able to do such a job / 
> offer a robust email service (incl. proper spam filters).
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> cheers,
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> Niels.
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> Niels Dettenbach
> Syndicat IT&Internet
> http://www.syndicat.com
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