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["Hanselka, Alex" <alex AT hanselka.name>]

Hi guys!

I don't mean to be a party pooper but this really isn't the best place to
discuss the best email provider or spam techniques.  Really, if you like
google, use it. If you don't, don't.  Some of us do for cost reasons and
various other reasons.  If you can afford some expensive email rig, by all
means. Or if you'd like to pay someone to manage your spam for you, please
do.

Again, I hate to be a dick but this just isn't the place.  Though, the IRC
channel would be much better at discussing this than the mailing list.  I
encourage you all to visit us at #opennic on freenode where we discuss this
kind of thing (and other things) all the time :)

On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:31 AM, Niels Dettenbach <nd AT syndicat.com> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 02:00:08 schrieb Amrit Panesar:
> > I understand that part of Google's filtering algorithm includes reported
> > messages from other users of their service. This is impossible to do
> with a
> > handful of clients.
> This is nonsense too - just take a look at the different and typical anti
> spam
> technologies around like hash based dcc, razor, pyzor, dkim, spf,
> sa-channels,
> a huge amount of different types of collaborating real time and dns based
> blocking lists and and and - plus (not at least) the commercial ones...
>
> Typical anti-spam solutions typically consisting by a bundle of
> technologies
> and data sources today filters >99% of spam out without "false positives".
>
> The further rest of quality depends from the network and hardware
> ressources a
> mail provider is willing to spent his anti spam stage per single email /
> per
> user - and google did not nearly run the most ressources per single email /
> per user. Another problem is that there are environments where content
> based
> spam filtering is not allowed by law - except the user has the option to
> allow
> it.
>
> But the major leaving problem (which even a "large amount of clients" could
> not solve) is that there are messages which could not be classified hardly
> from anyone as spam because the same message is ham for another user (i.e.
> mailing lists with bad policies etc.).
>
> btw:
> I remember about my collegues from west africa / nigeria which did not get
> all
> or many of their personal or business ham mails through google, yahoo and
> others over years as such mailproviders did geographical discrimination of
> email users - this is why many africans still want/prefer to get internet
> access by a IP address registered at any geolocation in europe or northern
> america. This has nothing to do with a halfway of professional spam
> filtering
> - this is just for saving ressources on the providers side...
>
>
> cheers,
>
>
> Niels.
>
>
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> ---
> Niels Dettenbach
> Syndicat IT&Internet
> http://www.syndicat.com/
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