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[Peter Green <peter AT greenpete.co.uk>]

When you say 'talk about paedophilia', do you mean general discussion 
about
the subject, or the topic it self?

You're going to have a hard time stopping something you oppose unless 
you
talk about it (the subject, not the topic, if that differentiates 
things
properly?), but discussing the topic is in it self paedophilia (is it 
not?)
and a different matter.

The W.W.W. and the Internets are like a car in that it is not up to the
manufacturer to dictate what you do with it, how fast you drive it, 
where
you go etc, that's for society to deal with, in whatever way the 
populace
see fit, and it tends to be via the justice system throughout the world
thankfully, though corporations and government are now throwing their
weight around.

My goal is to enable people to communicate, using a system that doesn't
judge (at least too much), the users should do that and specifically 
not
corporations and oppressive governments.

If we all (or most if in a democracy) agree that paedophilia is bad, 
(which
just to be clear I think it is bad, to put it mildly!) then a system 
other
than the networks and systems that make communications possible should 
deal
with people/websites/content or whatever. For instance, as a webhost, I
would take down that sort of content as I do not allow it in my T.o.S.

However, something that does no harm but is liked by some and not by 
others
shouldn't be stopped by those that simply don't like it, at least 
without
very good reason and the corporations and governments around the world 
are
getting oppressive, even in the so called free world.

A heavy and complicated subject this!

Peter

On 12.07.2012 20:22, Bjorn Peeters wrote:

> playing a bit in the role of devil's advocate (i seem to be making a
> hobby
> out of that lately);
>
> As you say, freedom of speech is one of the most important things - 
> but
> also
> one of the most grey areas on the web.
> There are some things, which although they could fall under free 
> speech,
> are
> by many regarded upon as intolerable.
>
> How would we (well, ok, you guys, cause i'm still not running a t2 -
> coming
> this year, promise!) go about those things?
>
> i.e.: the most current example is how anonymous is grouping together 
> to
> attack boards to "talk about pedophilia".
> don't get me wrong: i don't care much for such sites, but where is 
> the
> line?
> Anonymous is making clear, that for them, the "talking about 
> pedophilia"
> is
> one bridge too far.
>
> If there is actual sharing of illegal things, the line is very clear:
> intolerable.
> However, if there is only talking: does this fall under free speech, 
> or
> would it be intolerable?
>
> Again, the only clear action on the public web has been that of
> Anonymous:
> they are for free speech,
> but do not consider these things to be part of free speech.
>
> Due to their action, i could imagine (though i doubt it) that one of
> those
> sites would move to opennic,
> because it's currently "less visible" - excuse the phrasing.
>
> How would we all respond to such a site, in light of the idea of free
> speech?
>
> - the devil has spoken :)
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> From: Peter Green
> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:06 PM
> To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?
>
> "I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take
> the
> time to try to change the way the internet works?"
>
> I wasn't aware we are, are we?
>
> As for why I got involved in OpenNIC, I believe keeping the Wibbly
> Wobbly
> Web open (not the Internets, that's a different thing, though equally
> as
> valuable) and free is essential for
> free speech and freedom in general.
>
> My question would be, "why wouldn't you do something for the greater
> good,
> particular, freedom of speech?"
>
> Peter
>
> On 10.07.2012 04:01, woodq11 AT gmail.comwrote:
>
> > I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take
> > the time to try to change the way the internet works? It's 
> > definitely
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