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- From: "Bjorn Peeters" <bjorn AT bjornpeeters.be>
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- Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?
- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:32:43 +0200
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I suppose they do, but, from the project website:
By using OpenNIC, you are supporting a free and censorship free
internet. OpenNIC has been used in many countries to liberate themselves from
the censorship placed on the DNS services from their governments or
ISPs.
So, if the registries would disallow this, would it not fall under
censorship,
and thus in breach with the idea of opennic?
From: Sam Dodrill
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:24 PM
To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?
Don't the registries have to deal with that?
Sam Dodrill
mailto:shadow.h511 AT gmail.com
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Bjorn Peeters <bjorn AT bjornpeeters.be> wrote:
playing a bit in the role of devil's advocate (i seem to be making a hobby out of that lately);
As you say, freedom of speech is one of the most important things - but also one of the most grey areas on the web.
There are some things, which although they could fall under free speech, are by many regarded upon as intolerable.
How would we (well, ok, you guys, cause i'm still not running a t2 - coming this year, promise!) go about those things?
i.e.: the most current example is how anonymous is grouping together to attack boards to "talk about pedophilia".
don't get me wrong: i don't care much for such sites, but where is the line?
Anonymous is making clear, that for them, the "talking about pedophilia" is one bridge too far.
If there is actual sharing of illegal things, the line is very clear: intolerable.
However, if there is only talking: does this fall under free speech, or would it be intolerable?
Again, the only clear action on the public web has been that of Anonymous: they are for free speech,
but do not consider these things to be part of free speech.
Due to their action, i could imagine (though i doubt it) that one of those sites would move to opennic,
because it's currently "less visible" - excuse the phrasing.
How would we all respond to such a site, in light of the idea of free speech?
- the devil has spoken :)
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Peter Green
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:06 PM
To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?
"I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take
the
time to try to change the way the internet works?"
I wasn't aware we are, are we?
As for why I got involved in OpenNIC, I believe keeping the Wibbly
Wobbly
Web open (not the Internets, that's a different thing, though equally
as
valuable) and free is essential for
free speech and freedom in general.
My question would be, "why wouldn't you do something for the greater
good,
particular, freedom of speech?"
Peter
On 10.07.2012 04:01, woodq11 AT gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take the
time
to try to change the way the internet works?
It's definitely not easy or even guaranteed to be successful (depending
on
what your definition of successful is, I suppose..)
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playing a bit in the role of devil's advocate (i seem to be making a hobby out of that lately);
As you say, freedom of speech is one of the most important things - but also one of the most grey areas on the web.
There are some things, which although they could fall under free speech, are by many regarded upon as intolerable.
How would we (well, ok, you guys, cause i'm still not running a t2 - coming this year, promise!) go about those things?
i.e.: the most current example is how anonymous is grouping together to attack boards to "talk about pedophilia".
don't get me wrong: i don't care much for such sites, but where is the line?
Anonymous is making clear, that for them, the "talking about pedophilia" is one bridge too far.
If there is actual sharing of illegal things, the line is very clear: intolerable.
However, if there is only talking: does this fall under free speech, or would it be intolerable?
Again, the only clear action on the public web has been that of Anonymous: they are for free speech,
but do not consider these things to be part of free speech.
Due to their action, i could imagine (though i doubt it) that one of those sites would move to opennic,
because it's currently "less visible" - excuse the phrasing.
How would we all respond to such a site, in light of the idea of free speech?
- the devil has spoken :)
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Peter Green
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:06 PM
To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?
"I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take
the
time to try to change the way the internet works?"
I wasn't aware we are, are we?
As for why I got involved in OpenNIC, I believe keeping the Wibbly
Wobbly
Web open (not the Internets, that's a different thing, though equally
as
valuable) and free is essential for
free speech and freedom in general.
My question would be, "why wouldn't you do something for the greater
good,
particular, freedom of speech?"
Peter
On 10.07.2012 04:01, woodq11 AT gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious what makes the various people involved with OpenNIC take the
time
to try to change the way the internet works?
It's definitely not easy or even guaranteed to be successful (depending
on
what your definition of successful is, I suppose..)
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- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, (continued)
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Brian Koontz, 07/09/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Ariel Millennium Thornton, 07/09/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Martin C, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Jimmy Chen, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Todd Freeman, 07/13/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, webmaster, 07/13/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Todd Freeman, 07/13/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Jimmy Chen, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Martin C, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, David Norman, 07/10/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Peter Green, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Bjorn Peeters, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Sam Dodrill, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Bjorn Peeters, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Peter Green, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Bjorn Peeters, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Peter Green, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Sam Dodrill, 07/12/2012
- Re: [opennic-discuss] Why Bother?, Bjorn Peeters, 07/12/2012
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