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[Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>]

There are three considerations, as i can see:

1.- Is the data potentially dangerous for something?

2.- Must we give this data to Frank?

3.- Frank issue is concerned to us?

I think each one of us must give his own answers to these questions.

Mines are: i think no, yes but transparently and publicly, yes.

I will understand any other combination of answers, and i will respect
all of them, of course.

Mainly i respect the combination: im not sure, no without more info,
probably yes

Alejandro Bonet
albogoal AT gmail.com


2014-03-05 19:02 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
> More about the data:
>
> No times. No client ips. No server.
> Not exahustive and all data of everytime...
> Only domain names...
> Perhaps inexistent ones...
> Many web pages publish similar data...
>
> Perhaps it must be hidden to the public: No body knows what kind of
> malevolous plans have
> some people, and what can do with these data to destroy civilization...
>
> But: If someone in this openninc list ask for it, i suppose it is
> subscribed to the list.
>
> And if he gives some information about what he is doing with these
> data, and the information
> seems legitimate, i try to help him.
>
> And if i give the data directly to him, perhaps its worse than to
> publish it here.
>
> Of course, i know any dns operator can get these raw data: we all know
> it is very simple.
>
> But i like transparency: If prefer to give it to him and to ALL the
> list at the same time.
>
> Perhaps im wrong. I dont know.
>
> But i think "the blood will not reach the river"...
> (This is a literal translation of a spanish phrase to say "it is not
> too much important"...)
>
> Alejandro Bonet
> albogoal AT gmail.com
>
>
> 2014-03-05 18:42 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>> Well:
>>
>> Coming to this point i have another completely baseless theory (not an
>> accusation):
>>
>> Perhaps, Frank is a NSA agent trying to attack and to hang opennic.
>>
>> By the moment, he got to create an intense controversy here...
>>
>> And perhaps i'm the fish bitting the hook...
>>
>> But it seems Frank dont write too much to the list...
>>
>> Alejandro Bonet
>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>
>> PD: Im really interested in watch whatever he can say...
>>
>> And i thank Guillame think my english is not as bad as i can think...
>>
>> Also i thank everybody to show me, perhaps it was not a good idea to
>> dump these data...
>>
>> My english is better than five minutes ago, but i cant stop end each
>> phrase with suspension points...
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Please, smile a little: You will not be better computer technicians or
>> human persons if you dont smile...
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-05 18:24 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>> Im waiting for Frank.
>>>
>>> I need to know if the data is useful for his pourpose or it is only
>>> "true
>>> shit".
>>>
>>> I think he would must to explain more about this issue in technical
>>> terms,
>>> and with some links to understand "The menace" he is fighting...
>>>
>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>
>>> PD: I'm not the enemy of anybody.
>>>
>>> I allways try to help if i can, but it seems many times i get the
>>> otherwise...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-05 18:15 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>>> Jeff: An accusation needs an accusated.
>>>>
>>>> Who is that?...
>>>>
>>>> All the email list?...
>>>>
>>>> Im sure my english is not the best.
>>>>
>>>> If someone has been offended by my bad english, i ask for excuses to
>>>> all
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps im unfriendly for many people here.
>>>> But, please, dont look to my form.
>>>> Look to my bottom.
>>>>
>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-05 18:08 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>>>> Yes Guillaume: I almost agree with you:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Domain names are public. The list of every domain queried on a
>>>>> particular server is not."
>>>>>
>>>>> But i dont said which server.
>>>>> Also i dont said it was the entire list of every domain queried to
>>>>> that unknow server.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please: If you dont like the proposal of Frank (to ask us about public
>>>>> domain names to get
>>>>> the hashes and, perhaps, fight against some program invented by
>>>>> someones to censor the internet trought DNS, or decipher it to
>>>>> contribute to a better free internet, or to denunce publicly the
>>>>> someones trying to censor), please say it to Frank.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand the Frank question.
>>>>> I answer it as i can.
>>>>> I dont know his motivations, but they seem honest.
>>>>>
>>>>> As it seems, Frank does not follow this list with the same frequency
>>>>> as you or me.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of web accesible listings of domain names.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thats all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> PD: Nova King, i dont understand why you are offended by my suggestion
>>>>> that "perhaps some bad guys are listen this email list"...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is only "a theory"...
>>>>>
>>>>> If true, no matter with you or me... We can do anything to avoid that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Guillaume has again another reason: It is completely baseless.
>>>>>
>>>>> But also it is completely baseless to mantain in absolut terms that
>>>>> "all the subscriptors are proved good guys"...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that most of them are good guys, in fact im sure of that...
>>>>> But perhaps not all.
>>>>>
>>>>> And i think we need to remember that allways...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-05 17:47 GMT+01:00, Guillaume Parent <gparent AT gparent.org>:
>>>>>> The list of domains queried on a DNS server is not public until the
>>>>>> operator of that DNS server makes it public. Stop implying otherwise,
>>>>>> because it is factually wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Domain names are public. The list of every domain queried on a
>>>>>> particular
>>>>>> server is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont know if the word shit (you likes it so much) have the mean i
>>>>>>> think...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont "acusse the list" at all, as you say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only say maybe there are some bad guys listen it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The data is public or PUBLIC (if you dont like caps, it's your
>>>>>>> problem).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The data is collected from google, which is public, and dns queries
>>>>>>> trasversing all the internet
>>>>>>> in clear. Frank says he has collected amounts of these data from
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> public sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To post these data into this semipublic list for subscriptors dont
>>>>>>> make "more public" the
>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PD: But you have reason in one thing: It was bad idea to post the
>>>>>>> data...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because perhaps now, i cant stop your SHIT verborrea!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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