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[Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>]

If Frank send us a link to the program to calculate the hashes,
it could be better for all, i think...

And it not only would resolve Frank's problem (if i understood it),
also it would take off some tedious work from him,
and it will not "invade" anything at all...


Alejandro Bonet
albogoal AT gmail.com


2014-03-05 19:23 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
> There are three considerations, as i can see:
>
> 1.- Is the data potentially dangerous for something?
>
> 2.- Must we give this data to Frank?
>
> 3.- Frank issue is concerned to us?
>
> I think each one of us must give his own answers to these questions.
>
> Mines are: i think no, yes but transparently and publicly, yes.
>
> I will understand any other combination of answers, and i will respect
> all of them, of course.
>
> Mainly i respect the combination: im not sure, no without more info,
> probably yes
>
> Alejandro Bonet
> albogoal AT gmail.com
>
>
> 2014-03-05 19:02 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>> More about the data:
>>
>> No times. No client ips. No server.
>> Not exahustive and all data of everytime...
>> Only domain names...
>> Perhaps inexistent ones...
>> Many web pages publish similar data...
>>
>> Perhaps it must be hidden to the public: No body knows what kind of
>> malevolous plans have
>> some people, and what can do with these data to destroy civilization...
>>
>> But: If someone in this openninc list ask for it, i suppose it is
>> subscribed to the list.
>>
>> And if he gives some information about what he is doing with these
>> data, and the information
>> seems legitimate, i try to help him.
>>
>> And if i give the data directly to him, perhaps its worse than to
>> publish it here.
>>
>> Of course, i know any dns operator can get these raw data: we all know
>> it is very simple.
>>
>> But i like transparency: If prefer to give it to him and to ALL the
>> list at the same time.
>>
>> Perhaps im wrong. I dont know.
>>
>> But i think "the blood will not reach the river"...
>> (This is a literal translation of a spanish phrase to say "it is not
>> too much important"...)
>>
>> Alejandro Bonet
>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>
>>
>> 2014-03-05 18:42 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>> Well:
>>>
>>> Coming to this point i have another completely baseless theory (not an
>>> accusation):
>>>
>>> Perhaps, Frank is a NSA agent trying to attack and to hang opennic.
>>>
>>> By the moment, he got to create an intense controversy here...
>>>
>>> And perhaps i'm the fish bitting the hook...
>>>
>>> But it seems Frank dont write too much to the list...
>>>
>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>
>>> PD: Im really interested in watch whatever he can say...
>>>
>>> And i thank Guillame think my english is not as bad as i can think...
>>>
>>> Also i thank everybody to show me, perhaps it was not a good idea to
>>> dump these data...
>>>
>>> My english is better than five minutes ago, but i cant stop end each
>>> phrase with suspension points...
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Please, smile a little: You will not be better computer technicians or
>>> human persons if you dont smile...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-03-05 18:24 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>>> Im waiting for Frank.
>>>>
>>>> I need to know if the data is useful for his pourpose or it is only
>>>> "true
>>>> shit".
>>>>
>>>> I think he would must to explain more about this issue in technical
>>>> terms,
>>>> and with some links to understand "The menace" he is fighting...
>>>>
>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> PD: I'm not the enemy of anybody.
>>>>
>>>> I allways try to help if i can, but it seems many times i get the
>>>> otherwise...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-03-05 18:15 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>>>> Jeff: An accusation needs an accusated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is that?...
>>>>>
>>>>> All the email list?...
>>>>>
>>>>> Im sure my english is not the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone has been offended by my bad english, i ask for excuses to
>>>>> all
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps im unfriendly for many people here.
>>>>> But, please, dont look to my form.
>>>>> Look to my bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-03-05 18:08 GMT+01:00, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Yes Guillaume: I almost agree with you:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Domain names are public. The list of every domain queried on a
>>>>>> particular server is not."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But i dont said which server.
>>>>>> Also i dont said it was the entire list of every domain queried to
>>>>>> that unknow server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please: If you dont like the proposal of Frank (to ask us about
>>>>>> public
>>>>>> domain names to get
>>>>>> the hashes and, perhaps, fight against some program invented by
>>>>>> someones to censor the internet trought DNS, or decipher it to
>>>>>> contribute to a better free internet, or to denunce publicly the
>>>>>> someones trying to censor), please say it to Frank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the Frank question.
>>>>>> I answer it as i can.
>>>>>> I dont know his motivations, but they seem honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As it seems, Frank does not follow this list with the same frequency
>>>>>> as you or me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are lots of web accesible listings of domain names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PD: Nova King, i dont understand why you are offended by my
>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>> that "perhaps some bad guys are listen this email list"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is only "a theory"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If true, no matter with you or me... We can do anything to avoid
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Guillaume has again another reason: It is completely baseless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But also it is completely baseless to mantain in absolut terms that
>>>>>> "all the subscriptors are proved good guys"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that most of them are good guys, in fact im sure of that...
>>>>>> But perhaps not all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And i think we need to remember that allways...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-03-05 17:47 GMT+01:00, Guillaume Parent <gparent AT gparent.org>:
>>>>>>> The list of domains queried on a DNS server is not public until the
>>>>>>> operator of that DNS server makes it public. Stop implying
>>>>>>> otherwise,
>>>>>>> because it is factually wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Domain names are public. The list of every domain queried on a
>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>> server is not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Alejandro Bonet <albogoal AT gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont know if the word shit (you likes it so much) have the mean i
>>>>>>>> think...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dont "acusse the list" at all, as you say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only say maybe there are some bad guys listen it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The data is public or PUBLIC (if you dont like caps, it's your
>>>>>>>> problem).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The data is collected from google, which is public, and dns queries
>>>>>>>> trasversing all the internet
>>>>>>>> in clear. Frank says he has collected amounts of these data from
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> public sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To post these data into this semipublic list for subscriptors dont
>>>>>>>> make "more public" the
>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alejandro Bonet
>>>>>>>> albogoal AT gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PD: But you have reason in one thing: It was bad idea to post the
>>>>>>>> data...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because perhaps now, i cant stop your SHIT verborrea!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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