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[Simon Castano <netherland-office AT liberland.org>]

I confirm: we do not want to monetize DNS server access but do want the 
ability to charge for domain purchases.

To come back on the auction-based system : this is not Liberland plan, 
which is yet to be defined - I was basically brainstorming out loud and 
had not thought of it in depth. As I said, I (now) clearly understand 
abuse risk resulting from such system, especially on renewal, but also 
during initial registration.

Greetings,

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Simon

On 2016-12-09 18:47, Jonah Aragon wrote:
> I'm not sure if anybody is interested in monetizing DNS server access
> itself, that would be unprecedented and wouldn't really work as far as
> I can see, with free competition.
>
> What Simon wants instead, I believe, and what I completely agree with,
> is the ability for TLD registries to charge for domain purchases.
> OpenNIC itself doesn't operate any of the top-level-domains we provide
> access to, it's a largely decentralized process, and as such OpenNIC
> shouldn't mandate policies regarding the operation of said domains.
>
> Monetization of domains shouldn't be forced (like ICANN), or
> prohibited. But registry operators should be able to set prices as
> they see fit.
>
> Maybe some regulation would need to be implemented to ensure any such
> monetization is fair, to prevent abuse in the form of rapidly
> increasing pricing or auction-based censorship (as was Liberland's
> original proposal), but the right to either sell or give away domains
> should come down to the individual admins' policies.
>
> Jonah
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:30 AM kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a good, necessary, and difficult discussion and I'm glad to
> > see
> > it happening, although perhaps this specific detail should have it's
> > own
> > thread.
> >
> > I would rather propose that any who are interested in monetizing
> > their
> > servers to operate as a separate entity to OpenNIC, while still
> > retaining and maintaining a direct, community relation.
> >
> > In most open projects, the topic of money and monetizing comes up
> > and
> > there are always to two, polar viewpoints. And as is historically
> > evident, it splits a group with one core going in one direction,
> > creating a fork, leaving the remaining position to try to deal with
> > what's left.
> >
> > Rather than having those that are absolutely opposed to having
> > OpenNIC
> > changing its mandate of free/libre, run by volunteers utilizing
> > donated
> > infrastructure, it would perhaps be more valuable and valid that
> > those
> > interested in monetizing, form a fork that utilizes OpenNIC
> > resource,
> > while providing some business value.
> >
> > Scale is not an issue when using a distributed system that in fact,
> > by
> > nature, scales.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 17:26 +0100, Simon Castano wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > On 2016-12-08 04:28, Jonah Aragon wrote:
> > > > From a common sense perspective at the moment, it makes no sense
> > to
> > > > charge
> > > > for domains because OpenNIC--while being the largest
> > alt-root--still
> > > > has no
> > > > significant usage in the real world. But OpenNIC as a project
> > should
> > > > not be
> > > > about limiting the rights of TLD operators; and it shouldn't
> > force the
> > > > distribution of said earnings among all contributors to the
> > project
> > > > either.
> > >
> > > I could not have said it better. Gratis works nice at the moment
> > but if
> > > OpenNIC were to scale I trust that most operator could not affoard
> > > high-end / high-capacity and we need to make sure we can scale as
> > > appropriate.
> >
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> >
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> >
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