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[Matthias Merkel <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com>]

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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 11:57 PM Christopher <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:

Regarding ease of use, I would agree it's a bit of a stumbling block
for us. DNS is... weird and tricky, at best. I think you raise a
salient point about getting ISPs and network administrators involved,
as they control DNS for a large number of users, but that does not
help with visibility.

Still, there was at least one app out there (no idea if it's still
maintained, not something I've personally kept up on) to automatically
select the best DNS servers and configure the OS to use them. I know
there was one for Windows and I think there may have been one for
Linux in the works? Someone else probably knows better than I do. It
may also be on the wiki. In the past these sorts of efforts are
usually hampered by there not being any good OS APIs for configuring
these sorts of things, not to mention even being able to get a list of
DNS servers to start if DNS isn't already working to at least some
degree (and not blocked at that). I'm curious as to the current state
of these efforts and if maybe it's something worth picking up again.


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, kevin <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
> From a service provider and organizational perspective, it's certainly
> all about user adoption.  From a user perspective, it's quite likely
> all about ease of use.
>
> I looked for an alternative because it is what I wanted for personal
> use as well as for my project.  OpenNIC is easy enough for someone with
> a bit of tech savvy, but not necessarily for the average person.
>
> I'm sure that for your purposes, this is something you already
> understand, but I'm putting this out there as a reminder for everyone
> that just because it's built, doesn't mean people will flock to it.  My
> project integrates OpenNIC peering, so the user need do nothing.
>
> With that said, for your own use, it's easy enough and go for it.  If
> you are going to want to attract a large user base, then there has to
> be either very simple instructions for someone motivated enough to
> change their DNS settings in the computer, or there _should_ be some
> volunteer based support system in place which is user friendly, to
> support people to migrate and in a way that has appropriate cost
> benefit.
>
> I run two unique public DNS servers, so my customers use those, which
> gives access to OpenNIC domains.  That means that I generally have to
> set those customers up myself, and it's only fair to offload the DNS to
> my servers, rather that overloading a peer on OpenNIC directly.
>
> I would say that from a grass roots perspective, the best results
> towards adoption would be to promote to network admins and secondary
> (W)ISPs.
>
> Otherwise, I'm sure that help with docs, docs, and more docs and then
> pointing people to the resources with appropriate valuation depending
> on market demographics will be the way to continue growth directly from
> the end user.
>
> Hope some of that helps or is informative.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin
>
> On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 14:27 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:
>> Good to hear from you, Kevin.
>>
>> What I need most is to get up to speed and find out what is needed
>> most, and what I can contribute to the project.
>> Obviously it goes without saying that I can run a few servers, as a
>> volunteer. I also think I can help get the word out to spur adoption,
>> especially now, as people are hearing more and more about internet
>> censorship, block lists and repeal of Net Neutrality.
>> The time is right to communicate on this project.
>>
>> For example, I could add a Tier 1 or Tier 2 server in the datacenter
>> ( I lease from OVH situated in Beauharnois, QC they have great
>> connectivity.) , I have a dedicated line with fixed IPs for my home
>> office, where I can put another server, although on a more modest
>> 60Mbps symmetric connection that drops once or twice a year.
>>
>> I'm not sure what's needed most at this junction.
>> I appreciate any pointers on maximizing my contribution.
>>
>> Alex Nuta
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>> > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC
>> > Local Time: December 14, 2017 2:17 PM
>> > UTC Time: December 14, 2017 7:17 PM
>> > From: krattai AT gmail.com
>> > To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
>> >
>> > Greetz from another canuck, Alex.
>> >
>> > I've been actively using OpenNIC since jan 2015 for similar reasons
>> > and
>> > via a similar path it seems.
>> >
>> > I'm not opposed to joining efforts as I've been working on a
>> > unique,
>> > p2p / distributed DNS for one of my projects, as well, using
>> > OpenNIC as
>> > a T2 for that.
>> >
>> > At this time, I recommend OpenNIC as certainly one of the best
>> > alternatives out there.  I just don't like all my eggs in one
>> > basket,
>> > especially if a project like this were to become just another rules
>> > and
>> > regulations heavy, restrictive org.
>> >
>> > Personally, I remain committed to finding or building a publicly
>> > valuable and easily usable open, user managed, peer oriented, self
>> > healing and perpetuating infrastructure.  I'm always interested in
>> > discussing further.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 10:29 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:
>> > Greetings from Canada.
>> > I found this project because, before creating it myself, I wanted
>> > to
>> > see if someone had beat me to it. Well done.
>> > I decided to do this myself following the news that several top
>> > telecommunications corporations in Canada are planning to create a
>> > blocking list with no oversight or supervision controlled by three
>> > major players in the telecommunication and content production
>> > market.  They are currently lobbying government to discuss the
>> > matter
>> > in secret talks as part of international treaties. Yes, we've seen
>> > this before. Yes, they're at it again.
>> > I have no doubt that sooner or later, one of these initiatives will
>> > pass in the US or Canada, and soon.
>> > Ostensibly these measures are intended to curb copyright
>> > infringement, but behind it, it's fairly clear, is to create an
>> > uneven playing field in the content providing business heavily
>> > stacked in favour of the companies controlling the block list, and
>> > turn the Internet into Cable TV all over again.
>> > And, in my opinion, it won't stop there. The Quebec provincial
>> > government has already asked that all gambling sites be blocked
>> > province-wide, putting up a fence, in effect, since it has a local
>> > monopoly on gambling through its commercial Loto-Quebec venture,
>> > next
>> > will likely be alcohol sales, since the Quebec government assumed a
>> > monopoly on alcohol sales province-wide, and I can easily see
>> > governments labelling dissidents and other social activists with
>> > some
>> > kind of terminology which gets them on the block list to silence
>> > dissent.
>> > Together the top three corporations involved control 50% of the ISP
>> > market in Canada.
>> > In this context, OpenNIC becomes a potential solution, and I intend
>> > to publicize it to my social media audience (mainly nerds, systems
>> > administrators, networking specialists and social activists.)
>> > I would be interested in any available less technical information,
>> > infographics, or similar materials to educate the non-technical
>> > among
>> > the group to stimulate end-user adoption. I'll make my own if
>> > nothing
>> > like this is available.
>> > I will also set up a few servers ASAP, after reviewing the
>> > documentation, one located at my office, one in my home office and
>> > another in my data centre.
>> > Also, I work in marketing, and if I can lend assistance in that
>> > department to get the word out, please let me know.
>> > Thanks in advance.
>> > Alex Nuta
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