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[Rouben <rouben AT rouben.net>]

You're assuming anti-Net Neutrality blocking would be implemented through DNS. I very much doubt it... when it was done in the past, it was implemented by reducing bandwidth to certain networks that didn't "pay up" for premium bandwidth, e.g. Netflix. See https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14960154/netflix-net-neutrality-stances-timeline

Rouben

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:01 AM, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:

Matthias,

If your service is completely free it is appropriate
to offer it here. If you charge money, it is in very
bad taste to do what you're doing. I don't think I'm
the only one who's shocked by your behaviour. :)

Regards,
        Ole


On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:52:32 +0000
Matthias Merkel <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:

> Our subcompany Clear Skies UG could do that.
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 11:57 PM Christopher
> <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Regarding ease of use, I would agree it's a bit of a
> > stumbling block for us. DNS is... weird and tricky, at
> > best. I think you raise a salient point about getting
> > ISPs and network administrators involved, as they
> > control DNS for a large number of users, but that does
> > not help with visibility.
> >
> > Still, there was at least one app out there (no idea if
> > it's still maintained, not something I've personally
> > kept up on) to automatically select the best DNS
> > servers and configure the OS to use them. I know there
> > was one for Windows and I think there may have been one
> > for Linux in the works? Someone else probably knows
> > better than I do. It may also be on the wiki. In the
> > past these sorts of efforts are usually hampered by
> > there not being any good OS APIs for configuring these
> > sorts of things, not to mention even being able to get
> > a list of DNS servers to start if DNS isn't already
> > working to at least some degree (and not blocked at
> > that). I'm curious as to the current state of these
> > efforts and if maybe it's something worth picking up
> > again.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, kevin
> > <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From a service provider and organizational
> > > perspective, it's certainly all about user adoption.
> > > From a user perspective, it's quite likely all about
> > > ease of use.
> > >
> > > I looked for an alternative because it is what I
> > > wanted for personal use as well as for my project.
> > > OpenNIC is easy enough for someone with a bit of tech
> > > savvy, but not necessarily for the average person.
> > >
> > > I'm sure that for your purposes, this is something
> > > you already understand, but I'm putting this out
> > > there as a reminder for everyone that just because
> > > it's built, doesn't mean people will flock to it.  My
> > > project integrates OpenNIC peering, so the user need
> > > do nothing.
> > >
> > > With that said, for your own use, it's easy enough
> > > and go for it.  If you are going to want to attract a
> > > large user base, then there has to be either very
> > > simple instructions for someone motivated enough to
> > > change their DNS settings in the computer, or there
> > > _should_ be some volunteer based support system in
> > > place which is user friendly, to support people to
> > > migrate and in a way that has appropriate cost
> > > benefit.
> > >
> > > I run two unique public DNS servers, so my customers
> > > use those, which gives access to OpenNIC domains.
> > > That means that I generally have to set those
> > > customers up myself, and it's only fair to offload
> > > the DNS to my servers, rather that overloading a peer
> > > on OpenNIC directly.
> > >
> > > I would say that from a grass roots perspective, the
> > > best results towards adoption would be to promote to
> > > network admins and secondary (W)ISPs.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I'm sure that help with docs, docs, and
> > > more docs and then pointing people to the resources
> > > with appropriate valuation depending on market
> > > demographics will be the way to continue growth
> > > directly from the end user.
> > >
> > > Hope some of that helps or is informative.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 14:27 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:
> > >> Good to hear from you, Kevin.
> > >>
> > >> What I need most is to get up to speed and find out
> > >> what is needed most, and what I can contribute to
> > >> the project. Obviously it goes without saying that I
> > >> can run a few servers, as a volunteer. I also think
> > >> I can help get the word out to spur adoption,
> > >> especially now, as people are hearing more and more
> > >> about internet censorship, block lists and repeal of
> > >> Net Neutrality. The time is right to communicate on
> > >> this project.
> > >>
> > >> For example, I could add a Tier 1 or Tier 2 server
> > >> in the datacenter ( I lease from OVH situated in
> > >> Beauharnois, QC they have great connectivity.) , I
> > >> have a dedicated line with fixed IPs for my home
> > >> office, where I can put another server, although on
> > >> a more modest 60Mbps symmetric connection that drops
> > >> once or twice a year.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure what's needed most at this junction.
> > >> I appreciate any pointers on maximizing my
> > >> contribution.
> > >>
> > >> Alex Nuta
> > >> alex.nuta AT protonmail.com
> > >>
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> > >> Switzerland. Join for free and get highly secure
> > >> email.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -------- Original Message --------
> > >> > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC
> > >> > Local Time: December 14, 2017 2:17 PM
> > >> > UTC Time: December 14, 2017 7:17 PM
> > >> > From: krattai AT gmail.com
> > >> > To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > >> >
> > >> > Greetz from another canuck, Alex.
> > >> >
> > >> > I've been actively using OpenNIC since jan 2015
> > >> > for similar reasons and
> > >> > via a similar path it seems.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not opposed to joining efforts as I've been
> > >> > working on a unique,
> > >> > p2p / distributed DNS for one of my projects, as
> > >> > well, using OpenNIC as
> > >> > a T2 for that.
> > >> >
> > >> > At this time, I recommend OpenNIC as certainly one
> > >> > of the best alternatives out there.  I just don't
> > >> > like all my eggs in one basket,
> > >> > especially if a project like this were to become
> > >> > just another rules and
> > >> > regulations heavy, restrictive org.
> > >> >
> > >> > Personally, I remain committed to finding or
> > >> > building a publicly valuable and easily usable
> > >> > open, user managed, peer oriented, self healing
> > >> > and perpetuating infrastructure.  I'm always
> > >> > interested in discussing further.
> > >> >
> > >> > Cheers,
> > >> >
> > >> > Kevin
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 10:29 -0500, Alex Nuta wrote:
> > >> > Greetings from Canada.
> > >> > I found this project because, before creating it
> > >> > myself, I wanted to
> > >> > see if someone had beat me to it. Well done.
> > >> > I decided to do this myself following the news
> > >> > that several top telecommunications corporations
> > >> > in Canada are planning to create a blocking list
> > >> > with no oversight or supervision controlled by
> > >> > three major players in the telecommunication and
> > >> > content production market.  They are currently
> > >> > lobbying government to discuss the matter in
> > >> > secret talks as part of international treaties.
> > >> > Yes, we've seen this before. Yes, they're at it
> > >> > again. I have no doubt that sooner or later, one
> > >> > of these initiatives will pass in the US or
> > >> > Canada, and soon. Ostensibly these measures are
> > >> > intended to curb copyright infringement, but
> > >> > behind it, it's fairly clear, is to create an
> > >> > uneven playing field in the content providing
> > >> > business heavily stacked in favour of the
> > >> > companies controlling the block list, and turn the
> > >> > Internet into Cable TV all over again. And, in my
> > >> > opinion, it won't stop there. The Quebec
> > >> > provincial government has already asked that all
> > >> > gambling sites be blocked province-wide, putting
> > >> > up a fence, in effect, since it has a local
> > >> > monopoly on gambling through its commercial
> > >> > Loto-Quebec venture, next will likely be alcohol
> > >> > sales, since the Quebec government assumed a
> > >> > monopoly on alcohol sales province-wide, and I can
> > >> > easily see governments labelling dissidents and
> > >> > other social activists with some kind of
> > >> > terminology which gets them on the block list to
> > >> > silence dissent. Together the top three
> > >> > corporations involved control 50% of the ISP
> > >> > market in Canada. In this context, OpenNIC becomes
> > >> > a potential solution, and I intend to publicize it
> > >> > to my social media audience (mainly nerds, systems
> > >> > administrators, networking specialists and social
> > >> > activists.) I would be interested in any available
> > >> > less technical information, infographics, or
> > >> > similar materials to educate the non-technical
> > >> > among the group to stimulate end-user adoption.
> > >> > I'll make my own if nothing like this is
> > >> > available. I will also set up a few servers ASAP,
> > >> > after reviewing the documentation, one located at
> > >> > my office, one in my home office and another in my
> > >> > data centre. Also, I work in marketing, and if I
> > >> > can lend assistance in that department to get the
> > >> > word out, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
> > >> > Alex Nuta alex.nuta AT protonmail.com Sent from
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