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[Matthias Merkel <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com>]

We dodm offer the the service for free in most cases (as long as you don't earn any money with the TLD and don't need any addons we have to create just for you). I am however helping with setup even if the person doesn't use our service (no matter if free or paid)

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017, 9:15 AM <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:

I guess your post is meant in response to something
completely different than my note to Matthias about
the appropriateness of using our mailing list for spam.

Good point otherwise. :)

Regards,
        Ole


On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:28:50 -0500
Rouben <rouben AT rouben.net> wrote:

> You're assuming anti-Net Neutrality blocking would be
> implemented through DNS. I very much doubt it... when it
> was done in the past, it was implemented by reducing
> bandwidth to certain networks that didn't "pay up" for
> premium bandwidth, e.g. Netflix. See
> https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14960154/netflix-net-neutrality-stances-timeline
>
>
> Rouben
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:01 AM, <vv AT cgs.pw> wrote:
>
> > Matthias,
> >
> > If your service is completely free it is appropriate
> > to offer it here. If you charge money, it is in very
> > bad taste to do what you're doing. I don't think I'm
> > the only one who's shocked by your behaviour. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >         Ole
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 04:52:32 +0000
> > Matthias Merkel <matthias AT boltn-hosting.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Our subcompany Clear Skies UG could do that.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, 11:57 PM Christopher
> > > <weblionx AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Regarding ease of use, I would agree it's a bit of a
> > > > stumbling block for us. DNS is... weird and tricky,
> > > > at best. I think you raise a salient point about
> > > > getting ISPs and network administrators involved,
> > > > as they control DNS for a large number of users,
> > > > but that does not help with visibility.
> > > >
> > > > Still, there was at least one app out there (no
> > > > idea if it's still maintained, not something I've
> > > > personally kept up on) to automatically select the
> > > > best DNS servers and configure the OS to use them.
> > > > I know there was one for Windows and I think there
> > > > may have been one for Linux in the works? Someone
> > > > else probably knows better than I do. It may also
> > > > be on the wiki. In the past these sorts of efforts
> > > > are usually hampered by there not being any good OS
> > > > APIs for configuring these sorts of things, not to
> > > > mention even being able to get a list of DNS
> > > > servers to start if DNS isn't already working to at
> > > > least some degree (and not blocked at that). I'm
> > > > curious as to the current state of these efforts
> > > > and if maybe it's something worth picking up again.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM, kevin
> > > > <krattai AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > From a service provider and organizational
> > > > > perspective, it's certainly all about user
> > > > > adoption. From a user perspective, it's quite
> > > > > likely all about ease of use.
> > > > >
> > > > > I looked for an alternative because it is what I
> > > > > wanted for personal use as well as for my project.
> > > > > OpenNIC is easy enough for someone with a bit of
> > > > > tech savvy, but not necessarily for the average
> > > > > person.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure that for your purposes, this is something
> > > > > you already understand, but I'm putting this out
> > > > > there as a reminder for everyone that just because
> > > > > it's built, doesn't mean people will flock to
> > > > > it.  My project integrates OpenNIC peering, so
> > > > > the user need do nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > With that said, for your own use, it's easy enough
> > > > > and go for it.  If you are going to want to
> > > > > attract a large user base, then there has to be
> > > > > either very simple instructions for someone
> > > > > motivated enough to change their DNS settings in
> > > > > the computer, or there _should_ be some volunteer
> > > > > based support system in place which is user
> > > > > friendly, to support people to migrate and in a
> > > > > way that has appropriate cost benefit.
> > > > >
> > > > > I run two unique public DNS servers, so my
> > > > > customers use those, which gives access to
> > > > > OpenNIC domains. That means that I generally have
> > > > > to set those customers up myself, and it's only
> > > > > fair to offload the DNS to my servers, rather
> > > > > that overloading a peer on OpenNIC directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say that from a grass roots perspective,
> > > > > the best results towards adoption would be to
> > > > > promote to network admins and secondary (W)ISPs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, I'm sure that help with docs, docs, and
> > > > > more docs and then pointing people to the
> > > > > resources with appropriate valuation depending on
> > > > > market demographics will be the way to continue
> > > > > growth directly from the end user.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope some of that helps or is informative.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 14:27 -0500, Alex Nuta
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> Good to hear from you, Kevin.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What I need most is to get up to speed and find
> > > > >> out what is needed most, and what I can
> > > > >> contribute to the project. Obviously it goes
> > > > >> without saying that I can run a few servers, as
> > > > >> a volunteer. I also think I can help get the
> > > > >> word out to spur adoption, especially now, as
> > > > >> people are hearing more and more about internet
> > > > >> censorship, block lists and repeal of Net
> > > > >> Neutrality. The time is right to communicate on
> > > > >> this project.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For example, I could add a Tier 1 or Tier 2
> > > > >> server in the datacenter ( I lease from OVH
> > > > >> situated in Beauharnois, QC they have great
> > > > >> connectivity.) , I have a dedicated line with
> > > > >> fixed IPs for my home office, where I can put
> > > > >> another server, although on a more modest 60Mbps
> > > > >> symmetric connection that drops once or twice a
> > > > >> year.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm not sure what's needed most at this junction.
> > > > >> I appreciate any pointers on maximizing my
> > > > >> contribution.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Alex Nuta
> > > > >> alex.nuta AT protonmail.com
> > > > >>
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> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [opennic-discuss] OpenNIC
> > > > >> > Local Time: December 14, 2017 2:17 PM
> > > > >> > UTC Time: December 14, 2017 7:17 PM
> > > > >> > From: krattai AT gmail.com
> > > > >> > To: discuss AT lists.opennicproject.org
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Greetz from another canuck, Alex.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've been actively using OpenNIC since jan 2015
> > > > >> > for similar reasons and
> > > > >> > via a similar path it seems.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm not opposed to joining efforts as I've been
> > > > >> > working on a unique,
> > > > >> > p2p / distributed DNS for one of my projects,
> > > > >> > as well, using OpenNIC as
> > > > >> > a T2 for that.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > At this time, I recommend OpenNIC as certainly
> > > > >> > one of the best alternatives out there.  I
> > > > >> > just don't like all my eggs in one basket,
> > > > >> > especially if a project like this were to
> > > > >> > become just another rules and
> > > > >> > regulations heavy, restrictive org.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Personally, I remain committed to finding or
> > > > >> > building a publicly valuable and easily usable
> > > > >> > open, user managed, peer oriented, self healing
> > > > >> > and perpetuating infrastructure.  I'm always
> > > > >> > interested in discussing further.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Cheers,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Kevin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 10:29 -0500, Alex Nuta
> > > > >> > wrote: Greetings from Canada.
> > > > >> > I found this project because, before creating
> > > > >> > it myself, I wanted to
> > > > >> > see if someone had beat me to it. Well done.
> > > > >> > I decided to do this myself following the news
> > > > >> > that several top telecommunications
> > > > >> > corporations in Canada are planning to create
> > > > >> > a blocking list with no oversight or
> > > > >> > supervision controlled by three major players
> > > > >> > in the telecommunication and content
> > > > >> > production market.  They are currently
> > > > >> > lobbying government to discuss the matter in
> > > > >> > secret talks as part of international
> > > > >> > treaties. Yes, we've seen this before. Yes,
> > > > >> > they're at it again. I have no doubt that
> > > > >> > sooner or later, one of these initiatives will
> > > > >> > pass in the US or Canada, and soon. Ostensibly
> > > > >> > these measures are intended to curb copyright
> > > > >> > infringement, but behind it, it's fairly
> > > > >> > clear, is to create an uneven playing field in
> > > > >> > the content providing business heavily stacked
> > > > >> > in favour of the companies controlling the
> > > > >> > block list, and turn the Internet into Cable
> > > > >> > TV all over again. And, in my opinion, it
> > > > >> > won't stop there. The Quebec provincial
> > > > >> > government has already asked that all gambling
> > > > >> > sites be blocked province-wide, putting up a
> > > > >> > fence, in effect, since it has a local
> > > > >> > monopoly on gambling through its commercial
> > > > >> > Loto-Quebec venture, next will likely be
> > > > >> > alcohol sales, since the Quebec government
> > > > >> > assumed a monopoly on alcohol sales
> > > > >> > province-wide, and I can easily see
> > > > >> > governments labelling dissidents and other
> > > > >> > social activists with some kind of terminology
> > > > >> > which gets them on the block list to silence
> > > > >> > dissent. Together the top three corporations
> > > > >> > involved control 50% of the ISP market in
> > > > >> > Canada. In this context, OpenNIC becomes a
> > > > >> > potential solution, and I intend to publicize
> > > > >> > it to my social media audience (mainly nerds,
> > > > >> > systems administrators, networking specialists
> > > > >> > and social activists.) I would be interested
> > > > >> > in any available less technical information,
> > > > >> > infographics, or similar materials to educate
> > > > >> > the non-technical among the group to stimulate
> > > > >> > end-user adoption. I'll make my own if nothing
> > > > >> > like this is available. I will also set up a
> > > > >> > few servers ASAP, after reviewing the
> > > > >> > documentation, one located at my office, one
> > > > >> > in my home office and another in my data
> > > > >> > centre. Also, I work in marketing, and if I
> > > > >> > can lend assistance in that department to get
> > > > >> > the word out, please let me know. Thanks in
> > > > >> > advance. Alex Nuta alex.nuta AT protonmail.com
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